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sega4life said:
pbroy said:
I wouldn't mind having another TV using Netflix. I already have 2 TVs with Netflix enabled (via 360). You can have 6 devices using the same Netflix account.

 

really Only 6 Devices?

Not laptops and PC tho right?

 

Don't get me wrong, that seems like plenty.. but just wondering..

 

I have it on 2 360s. I don't think it includes PC/Laptops. I've viewed Netflix on 5 different PCs and they haven't been listed on the devices list, only the 360s were listed.







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't Gnizmo said:
theprof00 said:
could be just a ploy to get MS to spend more money on exclusivity rights

 That makes no sense what-so-ever. This would just be pulling a stunt to try and teach them a lesson. If they wanted to weasle more money out, they would privately tell Microsoft that they are in talks with other console manufacturers for the same deal. Honestly though, I can't imagine why Microsoft would try to fight to keep it exclusive. This isn't a huge selling point for anything. Its just a nice feature to round out multi-media capabilities. I am just saddened that Nintendo is going down that road so much lately.

How does it make no sense? This isn't news released by nintendo or netflix but someone who participated in said survey.

Why would you enter into talks if you weren't already sure what kind of money you would be making off of a deal? Talk about making no sense whatsoever.

"Hello MS, we want more money" - "why?" - "Because we could be making more money" - "Ahhh, so you want to play that card eh, ok how much is it going to cost us?" - "we're not really sure, but we know it's more" - "Haven't you done surveys and figured out the math?" - "Nope, we just planned to walk in here and ask for more money" - "hmm maybe you should gtfo of my office then" - "Okeydokey!"

Most exclusivity contracts have deals worked into them that require supplemental amounts paid out if possible income exceeds a certain amount.

The netflix thing is a big deal mr. knowitall. I myself know one person that bought a 360 and canceled their cable service saving 40$ a month.

I'm not sure what you think you know lol!

 



theprof00 said:

How does it make no sense? This isn't news released by nintendo or netflix but someone who participated in said survey.

Why would you enter into talks if you weren't already sure what kind of money you would be making off of a deal? Talk about making no sense whatsoever.

"Hello MS, we want more money" - "why?" - "Because we could be making more money" - "Ahhh, so you want to play that card eh, ok how much is it going to cost us?" - "we're not really sure, but we know it's more" - "Haven't you done surveys and figured out the math?" - "Nope, we just planned to walk in here and ask for more money" - "hmm maybe you should gtfo of my office then" - "Okeydokey!"

Most exclusivity contracts have deals worked into them that require supplemental amounts paid out if possible income exceeds a certain amount.

The netflix thing is a big deal mr. knowitall. I myself know one person that bought a 360 and canceled their cable service saving 40$ a month.

I'm not sure what you think you know lol!

 

 I never said it wasn't a nice feature. I said having it exclusive isn't a big deal. Theres a difference.

 Oh, and the way you bring it up is during contract negotiations. You casually mention other companies showing interest in it as well. Either that, or you send them a quick message saying you have been contacted by other companies and want to know if they would like to re-negotiate to an exclusive contract. This all assumes that the company showed some interest in keeping it exclusive.

 If Microsoft didn't try to put a price tag on it to be exclusive originally, they probably didn't care where it went other than their service. Sending out a survey that may or may not reach the offices of anyone who can actually make a difference is a bad way to do it. You have no guarantee anyone will bite. As a general rule you want the people who can actually make these decisions to definately be informed.



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pbroy said:
sega4life said:
pbroy said:
I wouldn't mind having another TV using Netflix. I already have 2 TVs with Netflix enabled (via 360). You can have 6 devices using the same Netflix account.

 

really Only 6 Devices?

Not laptops and PC tho right?

 

Don't get me wrong, that seems like plenty.. but just wondering..

 

I have it on 2 360s. I don't think it includes PC/Laptops. I've viewed Netflix on 5 different PCs and they haven't been listed on the devices list, only the 360s were listed.

ahh... never checked the "device list"... will check it out, thanks.

 



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Gnizmo said:

theprof00 said:

How does it make no sense? This isn't news released by nintendo or netflix but someone who participated in said survey.

Why would you enter into talks if you weren't already sure what kind of money you would be making off of a deal? Talk about making no sense whatsoever.

"Hello MS, we want more money" - "why?" - "Because we could be making more money" - "Ahhh, so you want to play that card eh, ok how much is it going to cost us?" - "we're not really sure, but we know it's more" - "Haven't you done surveys and figured out the math?" - "Nope, we just planned to walk in here and ask for more money" - "hmm maybe you should gtfo of my office then" - "Okeydokey!"

Most exclusivity contracts have deals worked into them that require supplemental amounts paid out if possible income exceeds a certain amount.

The netflix thing is a big deal mr. knowitall. I myself know one person that bought a 360 and canceled their cable service saving 40$ a month.

I'm not sure what you think you know lol!

 

 I never said it wasn't a nice feature. I said having it exclusive isn't a big deal. Theres a difference.

 Oh, and the way you bring it up is during contract negotiations. You casually mention other companies showing interest in it as well. Either that, or you send them a quick message saying you have been contacted by other companies and want to know if they would like to re-negotiate to an exclusive contract. This all assumes that the company showed some interest in keeping it exclusive.

listen, what I'm saying is that oftentimes exclusivity contracts can be renogotiated before the end because of certain clauses that deny a company revenue. The last studio that was exclusive to HDDVD and toshiba had a clause stating that a contract had to be renogotiated if it was the last company to still be exclusive. Exclusive contracts have loopholes, and loss of income is one of them. For example, if Netflix were to find out that they could be making 10 times the amount if they weren't exclusive AND if there was a provision in the contract to breech the contract if Netflix began losing potential revenue of a certain amount, then the contract could be renegotiated.

 If Microsoft didn't try to put a price tag on it to be exclusive originally, thats a pretty big assumption  they probably didn't care where it went other than their service. Sending out a survey that may or may not reach the offices of anyone who can actually make a difference is a bad way to do it. You have no guarantee anyone will bite. Unfortunately that is the problem with surveys, on the other hand, it can still give a pretty good estimate of the number of people who would bite if the service was a reality As a general rule you want the people who can actually make these decisions to definately be informed. I'm not sure what you mean by this

There is one goal and one reasonfor sending out this survey:

GOAL: Find out who and how many people would pay the 9.99$ to watch netflix on wii

Reason: Estimate potential subscribers/ potential profit

Motives:

Break or renegotiate "exclusivity" contract. Which they are bound by according to MS.
MS contract is nearing termination date, going to use the information to get nintendo to sign a contract.

either way it shows a possible contract cancelation with MS.



oooo hope this is true!



Gnizmo said:

 I never said it wasn't a nice feature. I said having it exclusive isn't a big deal. Theres a difference.
I know you are saying that it isn't a big deal, and I'm saying it is. People buy PS3 solely for the BR, why not a 360 for streaming netflix? I know netflix has a box for 99$ or something, but a 360 has game playback, and a DVD player and it upscales. Plus, it's an extra feature that no other console has although they are all capable. If PS3 had it I would have canceled my cable tv already as well. I hope you can at least see how this is something people take into consideration when buying a system.
I could buy a 360 and save 200$ by canceling cable tv for 5 months. And I have thought about it.

 Oh, and the way you bring it up is during contract negotiations. You casually mention other companies showing interest in it as well. Either that, or you send them a quick message saying you have been contacted by other companies and want to know if they would like to re-negotiate to an exclusive contract. This all assumes that the company showed some interest in keeping it exclusive.

listen, what I'm saying is that oftentimes exclusivity contracts can be renogotiated before the end because of certain clauses. The last studio that was exclusive to HDDVD and toshiba had a clause stating that a contract had to be renogotiated if it was the last company to still be exclusive. Exclusive contracts have loopholes, and loss of income is one of them. For example, if Netflix were to find out that they could be making 10 times the amount if they weren't exclusive AND if there was a provision in the contract to breech the contract if Netflix began losing potential revenue of a certain amount, then the contract could be renegotiated. Otherwise, you cannot renegotiate because a contract is binding.

 If Microsoft didn't try to put a price tag on it to be exclusive originally, thats a pretty big assumption  they probably didn't care where it went other than their service. Sending out a survey that may or may not reach the offices of anyone who can actually make a difference is a bad way to do it. You have no guarantee anyone will bite. Unfortunately that is the problem with surveys, on the other hand, it can still give a pretty good estimate of the number of people who would bite if the service was a reality As a general rule you want the people who can actually make these decisions to definately be informed. I'm not sure what you mean by this

There is one goal and one reasonfor sending out this survey:

GOAL: Find out who and how many people would pay the 9.99$ to watch netflix on wii

Reason: Estimate potential subscribers/ potential profit

Motives:

Break or renegotiate "exclusivity" contract. Which they are bound by according to MS.
MS contract is nearing termination date, going to use the information to get nintendo to sign a contract.

either way it shows a possible contract cancelation with MS.



theprof00 said:

There is one goal and one reasonfor sending out this survey:

GOAL: Find out who and how many people would pay the 9.99$ to watch netflix on wii

Reason: Estimate potential subscribers/ potential profit

Motives:

Break or renegotiate "exclusivity" contract. Which they are bound by according to MS.
MS contract is nearing termination date, going to use the information to get nintendo to sign a contract.

either way it shows a possible contract cancelation with MS.

 I really hate having to read my post again to get your response so I am just going to skim the red part and give a response based on what I picked up. I also hate reading red, so I likely missed something. Feel free to point it out again in a non-obnoxious color.

 Contracts in general are quircky things. They are are to get anyone fully locked into a course of action as there is no firm way to guarantee someone holds up there end. The worst you can do is get them for breach of contract and tag any penalties from that. See Resident Evil 4 being exclusive to the Gamecube.

 You also seem to be operating under the assumption that Microsoft does have some sort of exclusivity contract. That seems like a bad assumption in light of this new evidence. It would take a lot of cash to be worth breaking a contract and damaging a business relationship with a major company. Given that the Netflix box has existed longer than the 360 deal, and is much much cheaper I highly doubt there was ever an exclusive deal. You can likely entice a few extraustomers with streaming netflix, but it seems more a way to get people to subscribe to Xbox Live.

 And my last line seems pretty clear in context. If you want to renogotiate a contract with a company, you contact that company. You don't send out a survey and hope the company catches wind of it somehow someway. Its inefficient, backhanded, and likely to put some executives in a very bad mood. This weakens your bargaining position considerably.



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no ty. If I dont download on my pc, ps3, or vod then why my wii?