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Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, it means that developers might want to try to shovel more shovelware on the console instead of new ips in traditional genres. Wii owners are to blame. There are close to 50 million of you don't you want more good games on your system are are you really satisfied with bland products like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Fit?

Wait, wait, wait.

How is anything you just named "bland"? Go ahead. Break it down for me.

 

      Because that don't allow you to do anything you can't do on your free time from going and playing bowling to learning to play a real musical instrument.  Modern gaming is supposed to be about freeing yourself from the humdrumness of the real world and letting you enjoy participating in virtual worlds that offer you the chance to have experiences that you never could have or even could have imagined having in the real world.  They are about going on adventures in Hyrule instead of playing table tennis or going shopping at the local Costco.



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whats wrong with wiishopping? jk


do better madworld. You need to attract more devs!



theprof00 said:
I've seen some of his points before, and I can partly agree with that assessment. Howverer, if he's anything like most gamers he has owned nintendo consoles since the beginning and he's disappointed. The lack of what us gamers would call core, but also just a general lack of interest by the owners to buy those core games, is upsetting. True there are really good titles, and wii games do tend to have great legs, but ahh, I dunno. I for one am kind of nostaglic for that old nintendo experience...
I think bt also forgets that a lot of the people on this site are interested in madworld, he shouldn't use such sweeping generalizations.

PS: I don't think anyone was as bad as crazzzyman lol

Haha fair enough. Regarding buying core games, from my personal side, its all about finances, or the lack thereof. Its hard to run out first day and get games now. I still have to upgrade my PC to play the newest stuff, I still havent bought SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, or about 10 other games Ive been meaning to get. Being all responsible sucks, I don't reccommend it



BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, it means that developers might want to try to shovel more shovelware on the console instead of new ips in traditional genres. Wii owners are to blame. There are close to 50 million of you don't you want more good games on your system are are you really satisfied with bland products like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Fit?

Wait, wait, wait.

How is anything you just named "bland"? Go ahead. Break it down for me.

      Because that don't allow you to do anything you can't do on your free time from going and playing bowling to learning to play a real musical instrument.  Modern gaming is supposed to be about freeing yourself from the humdrumness of the real world and letting you enjoy participating in virtual worlds that offer you the chance to have experiences that you never could have or even could have imagined having in the real world.  They are about going on adventures in Hyrule instead of playing table tennis or going shopping at the local Costco.

I can't play baseball, I'm not a boxer, I can't afford to bowl, I can't afford tennis equipment, and I damn sure can't afford to golf. Ping pong is beyond me, you can imagine I don't drive tanks, I have almost no musical aptitude... these are all things that I am allowed to experience by proxy through these games.

But that doesn't explain why you think they're bland. They are stand-outs as examples of the medium, and do not blend into the landscape of popular gaming culture.



BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, it means that developers might want to try to shovel more shovelware on the console instead of new ips in traditional genres. Wii owners are to blame. There are close to 50 million of you don't you want more good games on your system are are you really satisfied with bland products like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Fit?

 

Could you please explain the logic used to jump to that conclusion?

For example, not one game in the Petz series (which is often held up as a sign that Ubisoft has decided to go the shovelware route) sold 20k in the first week. Many of those games ended up with lifetime sales of 300k-400k.

If Madworld has anything close to that kind of multiplier, it will exceed 800k in NA alone.

 

Mike from Morgantown

 

 



      


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I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

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bardicverse said:
theprof00 said:
I've seen some of his points before, and I can partly agree with that assessment. Howverer, if he's anything like most gamers he has owned nintendo consoles since the beginning and he's disappointed. The lack of what us gamers would call core, but also just a general lack of interest by the owners to buy those core games, is upsetting. True there are really good titles, and wii games do tend to have great legs, but ahh, I dunno. I for one am kind of nostaglic for that old nintendo experience...
I think bt also forgets that a lot of the people on this site are interested in madworld, he shouldn't use such sweeping generalizations.

PS: I don't think anyone was as bad as crazzzyman lol

Haha fair enough. Regarding buying core games, from my personal side, its all about finances, or the lack thereof. Its hard to run out first day and get games now. I still have to upgrade my PC to play the newest stuff, I still havent bought SMG, SSBB, Mario Kart, or about 10 other games Ive been meaning to get. Being all responsible sucks, I don't reccommend it

I agree. Now see, Japanese people have it easy. Living in moms basement is like 70% of people aged 15-30. I need to upgrade my pc too... grumbles

 



Well i cant get my copy of Madworld until about 5 PM cause i cant find my keys and cant leave the house. devastated.....



theprof00 said:
I've seen some of his points before, and I can partly agree with that assessment. Howverer, if he's anything like most gamers he has owned nintendo consoles since the beginning and he's disappointed. The lack of what us gamers would call core, but also just a general lack of interest by the owners to buy those core games, is upsetting. True there are really good titles, and wii games do tend to have great legs, but ahh, I dunno. I for one am kind of nostaglic for that old nintendo experience...
I think bt also forgets that a lot of the people on this site are interested in madworld, he shouldn't use such sweeping generalizations.

PS: I don't think anyone was as bad as crazzzyman lol

Again, I am at a loss.

Which core games are not being made?

Which core games are not being bought?

And I think people look back and only remember the good things -- sort of like people hold up 1950s as the way American family life used to be (ought to be). But even Leave it to Beaver did a show about alcoholism.  And there were less than stellar games (and unlicensed offerings ranging from religious to scandalous) on the NES and SNES.

 

 

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

Wii Friend Code: 1624 6601 1126 1492

NNID: Mike_INTV

Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, it means that developers might want to try to shovel more shovelware on the console instead of new ips in traditional genres. Wii owners are to blame. There are close to 50 million of you don't you want more good games on your system are are you really satisfied with bland products like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Fit?

Wait, wait, wait.

How is anything you just named "bland"? Go ahead. Break it down for me.

      Because that don't allow you to do anything you can't do on your free time from going and playing bowling to learning to play a real musical instrument.  Modern gaming is supposed to be about freeing yourself from the humdrumness of the real world and letting you enjoy participating in virtual worlds that offer you the chance to have experiences that you never could have or even could have imagined having in the real world.  They are about going on adventures in Hyrule instead of playing table tennis or going shopping at the local Costco.

I can't play baseball, I'm not a boxer, I can't afford to bowl, I can't afford tennis equipment, and I damn sure can't afford to golf. Ping pong is beyond me, you can imagine I don't drive tanks, I have almost no musical aptitude... these are all things that I am allowed to experience by proxy through these games.

But that doesn't explain why you think they're bland. They are stand-outs as examples of the medium, and do not blend into the landscape of popular gaming culture.

      I guess they're standouts of the types of games that get those traditionally not interested in gaming into gaming.  But, they're not really standout games according to accepted criteria for judging games.  When I get my Wii, I'm going to sell Wii Sports and get either Madworld, House of the Dead:  Overkill, RE4 Wii Edition, No More Heroes / Red Steel Double Pack, Okami or Zack and Wiki with the proceeds.

 



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BTFeather55 said:
Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, it means that developers might want to try to shovel more shovelware on the console instead of new ips in traditional genres. Wii owners are to blame. There are close to 50 million of you don't you want more good games on your system are are you really satisfied with bland products like Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Music, and Wii Fit?

Wait, wait, wait.

How is anything you just named "bland"? Go ahead. Break it down for me.

 

      Because that don't allow you to do anything you can't do on your free time from going and playing bowling to learning to play a real musical instrument.  Modern gaming is supposed to be about freeing yourself from the humdrumness of the real world and letting you enjoy participating in virtual worlds that offer you the chance to have experiences that you never could have or even could have imagined having in the real world.  They are about going on adventures in Hyrule instead of playing table tennis or going shopping at the local Costco.

You're not seriously using this argument are you? Maybe that's why you play games but every gamer has different reason for playing video games and there's not one better than the other.

Also, the "you can go bowling" or "you can learn to play real instruments" argument is just plain stupid.

Let's just take Wii Sports:

Tennis: Requires running shoes, racket, access to a tennis court (indoor or outdoor)

Golf : Requires golf shoes, golf clubs, golf balls, tees, access to a golf course and you can't play during winter.

Bowling : Requires bowling shoes, bowling ball.

Boxing: Boxing gloves, access to a boxing ring (plus real boxing hurts!)

Baseball : Baseball glove, baseball bat, baseball, access to a baseball field (can't play during winter)

Even if you rent the equipment, it's going to cost you a fortune. You also have to factor the convenience of being able to do this at home.



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