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Chrizum said:
mjc2021 said:
griffinA said:
mjc2021 said:

To bardicverse:

Are you positive Nintendo now allows sex, drugs, and alcohol in games? Because I know there was censorship on the Gamecube. I've also yet to see those things in Wii games. The Wii has far more E games and they are the best selling games on that console.

 

 Have you seen Madworld, No More Heroes or House of the Dead: Overkill???

Overkill just set the record for most F-bombs in a game!

 

Do I really have to explain to you more clearly?

The MOST popular games on the Wii have an E rating.

The MOST popular games on the PS3 and 360 are Mature rated.

 

Your point being?

 

 

If you want a console that offers a more family friendly experience the Wii is the obvious choice. While violent games tend to sell much better on the 360 and PS3.



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To megaman79:

I'm trying to make a point about the content allowed on the Wii. Clearly you want nothing to do with this conversation so why are you reading it?



mjc2021 said:

To megaman79:

I'm trying to make a point about the content allowed on the Wii. Clearly you want nothing to do with this conversation so why are you reading it?

 

Because i am trying to advise you that being an a---hole, and being new on this site, will not give you much time b4 your banned. You came in here to critisize on rail shooters and then you combat others because they wanted to defend the validity of shooters/mature titles on the Wii. Good luck

 

edit- what you should have done was stick with your original argument, that on rails shooters are a cheap dev. trick, bcoz many of us agree with that. When you started crapping all over the Wii in general, see that was your problem.



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mjc2021 said:

To megaman79:

I'm trying to make a point about the content allowed on the Wii. Clearly you want nothing to do with this conversation so why are you reading it?

 

 First of all, which point are you trying to make? That Nintendo doesn't allow "mature" content on their system? Because that's not true.

If your point is about the wii being more "family-friendly" then yes it is. But not because of the games released for it, its because of the people who buy the system (AKA everyone). The Wii has all types of games including M-rated games. Have the M-rated games sold well? Some. Some have even sold great. Most have made a profit however.



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megaman79 said:
mjc2021 said:

Why are you people ignoring that these rail shooters are just a way for developers to cash in with out producing a quality title? When was a rail shooter voted game of the year?

Also would you guys be happy if they were to bring Oblivion to the Wii as a rail shooter? How about Grand Theft Auto as a rail shooter? Lets just make everything a rail shooter!

 

Thats twice now, Your aware that most Wii owners have been waiting 2 yrs already for mature titles, the fact they are on rails doesn't bother most of them. Myself, yea i know what your saying, i agree but don't troll too much about the Wii, you will pay for it.

Are you sure?  It bothers me big time.  I think many are just convincing themselves they are happy with a rails shooter.  Seriously are you saying you prefer a rails shooter Resident Evil to a new proper resident evil game?  Or you prefer a Dead Space rail shooter to what was released for PS360?  The fact that we have been waiting 2 years for mature games does not mean we should just accept with ever scraps they throw at us.  Developers are just being lazy and that's the truth of the matter.  But people who are happy to accept that anything is better than nothing are contributing to the problem.  If people stopped buying these rail shooters then developers would put in effort to make a proper mature Wii game not a half assed rails shooter effort.

 



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tuoyo said:
megaman79 said:
mjc2021 said:

Why are you people ignoring that these rail shooters are just a way for developers to cash in with out producing a quality title? When was a rail shooter voted game of the year?

Also would you guys be happy if they were to bring Oblivion to the Wii as a rail shooter? How about Grand Theft Auto as a rail shooter? Lets just make everything a rail shooter!

 

Thats twice now, Your aware that most Wii owners have been waiting 2 yrs already for mature titles, the fact they are on rails doesn't bother most of them. Myself, yea i know what your saying, i agree but don't troll too much about the Wii, you will pay for it.

Are you sure? It bothers me big time. I think many are just convincing themselves they are happy with a rails shooter. Seriously are you saying you prefer a rails shooter Resident Evil to a new proper resident evil game? Or you prefer a Dead Space rail shooter to what was released for PS360? The fact that we have been waiting 2 years for mature games does not mean we should just accept with ever scraps they throw at us. Developers are just being lazy and that's the truth of the matter. But people who are happy to accept that anything is better than nothing are contributing to the problem. If people stopped buying these rail shooters then developers would put in effort to make a proper mature Wii game not a half assed rails shooter effort.

 

 

Read each sentence and then process what i typed. One at a time. I agree that on rails shooters are crapilicious, and prob. a cheap alternative to real effort, but i am also saying that its a mature game and unfortunately theres not many of them.

 



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 said:
mjc2021 said:

To megaman79:

I'm trying to make a point about the content allowed on the Wii. Clearly you want nothing to do with this conversation so why are you reading it?

 

Because i am trying to advise you that being an a---hole, and being new on this site, will not give you much time b4 your banned. You came in here to critisize on rail shooters and then you combat others because they wanted to defend the validity of shooters/mature titles on the Wii.  Good luck

Well I was actually intrigued that they were bringing Dead Space to the Wii. When I clicked this topic though I found out it was a rail shooter. Rail shooters is a genre that died in the 90s because they aren't quality titles. I'll just leave it to that.



mjc2021 said:

To bardicverse:

Are you positive Nintendo now allows sex, drugs, and alcohol in games? Because I know there was censorship on the Gamecube. I've also yet to see those things in Wii games. The Wii has far more E games and they are the best selling games on that console.

As a game developer, yes, I can vouch that Nintendo allows developers to produce any content on their systems, as long as it fits within the limits of the M rating. If a game goes AO (Adult Only) then they will not allow it, but all home consoles take that stand (This was the issue with Manhunt 2)

 

In regards to your point that most popular games are "E rated" games, you are correct. With games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart, these are among the top sellers. Yet, take into consideration that M rated games do not fail to sell on the Wii, several have broken the 1 million units sold mark. Just to make a point further here, the PlayStation 2 (PS2) had a much larger library of "E rated" games at the same amount of years into its life as the Wii. The PS2 catered to many audiences, and the Wii does as well. The only difference is that the HD consoles (XB360 and PS3) don't cater to the "E audience" as well as the Wii does. So yes, you ARE right, that the Wii caters to families. Yet, that doesn't mean that there arent gamers who will play M rated games on the Wii.

Think of it this way - picture a family, father, mother, kids. There might be LOTS of Disney movies on the shelf, but the father might also have some R rated action movies, and the mother might be a horror movie fan, and has a collection of those , which she keeps away from her kids until they are older. Those action and horror movies still find their place in the house, despite a larger assortment of G rated movies.

Regarding the validity of "Rails Shooters" and if they are a dying genre - they were starting to fade with the death of the actual arcades. They have found a valid use on the Wii due to compatible input controls. I can say that an overkill of these kind of games (no pun intended), can be bad, as can any one genre flooding the market. Yet, I've played a few on the Wii, and they are quite fun. If I might reccommend a title for you to try at a friend's house (or wherever a Wii is accessible) is Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles. Pair that up with the Nyko Perfect Shot gun accessory, and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

 



To bardicverse:

Well it seems that the only M rated games that break the one million mark are already established. I mean the best selling mature games on the Wii are probably Resident Evil and CoD. However those same games sell much better on the 360 and PS3 even though there are far more Wii consoles out there.

Now the PS2 catered to a large audience as well but mostly for people looking for mature games. The E rated games were not nearly as successful as the T and M rated games. Even during that gen the really popular E games were on a Nintendo console. Actually the top selling Gamecube games is a more respectable list than the top selling Wii games.

Like I said earlier I feel rail shooters are just a simple way to cash in without developing a quality title. Bear in mind that several of these rail shooters come from established franchises. Also why would developers bother creating quality games for the Wii when it seems simple party games or popular licenses sell better?