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theprof00 said:
First of all, that comment wasn't directed to any of you other than chas. I am not responding to his post but the tone of his or her post, so mind ya business.

Secondly chas, I merely pointing out that you yourself are not really explaining anything. You did prove one thing. That the guy was exaggerating. You did not prove that he was wrong.
Because he was never talking about first party games. You BOTH mentioned the word HD, and he proved, through your own actions, that 3rd parties sell better on "non-nintendo" consoles. :P

Don't get mad at Rol, he was just pointing something out.

And about your post: I was trying to explaining anything. I was proving Impulsivity wrong, which he undoubtedly was. Don't call it exaggeration, the blue and yellow highlighted text in his post are just plain wrong. I only mention GTAIV (which is a game displayed in HD) because I was pointing out that it had not even reached 16+ million. The yellow statement in my post is just factual, HD included or not.

 



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im not mad at rol (wtf?!?lulz!?!)

I'm just saying that you were obviously trying to make a point. Just like impulse was. I don't care about any of it, you're both wrong.
And you flat out lied when you said nobody mentioned HD and then called my post irrelevant. The OP said that if you combined 360 and PS3 then it would beat the wii's sales. I don't agree with that statement, but it seems like, especially now that you still seem to think that nobody mentioned HD, you just didn't read anything he wrote...
that's all I'm saying, sorry if I made you guys upset. Just read the posts your respond to and behave please.



theprof00 said:
First of all, that comment wasn't directed to any of you other than chas. I am not responding to his post but the tone of his or her post, so mind ya business.

Secondly chas, I merely pointing out that you yourself are not really explaining anything. You did prove one thing. That the guy was exaggerating. You did not prove that he was wrong.
Because he was never talking about first party games. You BOTH mentioned the word HD, and he proved, through your own actions, that 3rd parties sell better on "non-nintendo" consoles. :P

Trying to say say that third party games have better overall sales due to just seeing a list of 10m+ sellers is not rational, and I still stand by what I said. Pretend you don't know anything about sales for games less than 10m sales, and you see that list. You'd completely dismiss all the other games that sold less than 10m? I don't think that's rational at all. Just by looking at a list of 10m+ sellers, you'd conclude that third party games sell more on the PS3 than the Wii? It's not rational to try to conclude something like that based on incomplete data, that's all that I was saying.

Thanks for the hate post on my wall by the way, real mature of you... next time at least make it a grammatically correct post so I can at least fully understand what you're trying to say.



wfz did you read the part where I said "Your post says" I'm talking about limited information. Which is what he posted, and then I said, according to that information blah blah blah
I really hate repeating myself to reggie fils aime. But your post suits the density of that guys cranium.



@wfz, i'll fix that for ya. I know it's hard to figure stuff out on your own.

seeing as how there's only a pair of ""s missing I thought you would get it.

EDIT: ah too late you deleted it.



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ok wfz:
do you remember when I said "so in short your post says that 3rd party games sell more on HD systems." ? You should, because you can just scroll up and see it.

then do you remember saying
"You would infer that just by looking at a list of 10m+ sellers?

That's what your "rational" sense is saying? Holy shit. :P" (mind the language onlookers)

Now do you see how you are wrong? Or do I need do dedicate another 3 posts to it further derailing the thread, which is why I posted it on your wall. :P



theprof00 said:
im not mad at rol (wtf?!?lulz!?!)

I'm just saying that you were obviously trying to make a point. Just like impulse was. I don't care about any of it, you're both wrong.
And you flat out lied when you said nobody mentioned HD and then called my post irrelevant. The OP said that if you combined 360 and PS3 then it would beat the wii's sales. I don't agree with that statement, but it seems like, especially now that you still seem to think that nobody mentioned HD, you just didn't read anything he wrote...
that's all I'm saying, sorry if I made you guys upset. Just read the posts your respond to and behave please.

Show me, by quoting my posts, where I posted wrong information.

Then show me, also by quoting me, where I mentioned anything about an HD system in my post.

 

And even though I read his post in its entirety, I wasn't responding to it. I was responding only to the portion that I highlighted. Do you know why? Because I wasn't trying to make a point. I was just proving those statements wrong. So please read all posts you respond to in their entirety.

 



I understand what you're saying, I have the whole time, but I still stand by what I said. What's with the personal insults?

You knowingly exclude data (less than 10m sellers) and then think you can make a rational conclusion based on third party sales? His post only covered 10m+ sellers, but that in no way should be taken as the ultimatum for third party sales, that's ridiculous. That's not even the point he was trying to make, so you were twisting his post around to make your silly conclusion. He never said that the list should be indicative of overall third party sales, yet that's how you took it. You took his post and twisted it into a conclusion that fit your argument. Great going.

Someone told him that there were many more 10+ PS million sellers than Nintendo million sellers, so he made a list to prove them wrong. That's all he did. You took his post and twisted it around, pretending that he made it a "rational" conclusion to prove that third party games have better sales on HD consoles.

Speaking of which, why did your post turn to HD? His list consisted of games on the PS brand and the Nintendo brand. Not only did he NOT mention the 360, but NONE of the consoles he mentioned in that 10m+ list were HD consoles!

That makes your conclusion even more far fetched. Nice going.



RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:
First of all, that comment wasn't directed to any of you other than chas. I am not responding to his post but the tone of his or her post, so mind ya business.

Secondly chas, I merely pointing out that you yourself are not really explaining anything. You did prove one thing. That the guy was exaggerating. You did not prove that he was wrong.
Because he was never talking about first party games. You BOTH mentioned the word HD, and he proved, through your own actions, that 3rd parties sell better on "non-nintendo" consoles. :P

Quick summary:

1) Third party games sell better on non-Nintendo consoles.
2) Most third party games on HD consoles are hardcore games.
3) Most third parties are posting losses.
4) Hardcore games can't sustain themselves on the HD consoles.
5) Sony's and Microsoft's consoles are possibly destroying hardcore gaming (or third parties are destroying it due to their stupid decisions).
6) The original post of this thread is spot on.

Is that your point?

I'm not 100% on the first one.
And I'm certain that they don't make as much money therefore confirming 4 and 5 and 6.

I agree with 2, and I already posted my curiosity as to why this is, since games like katamari and alien hominid did very well on ps2.

The only one I really can't say is true or false is 3. I just don't know the figures and or why they are posting losses. It's easy to say that it is because the games don't sell, and harder to say that fixed costs have risen or something like that.

 



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