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I don't think race has a big thing to do with it, I'd say it'd have more to do with economical reasons. It stands to reason that a larger percentage of immigrants will be living in less economically-developed areas, and are probably subject to low social-mobality.

Of course, there is a lower percentage of second/third/etc... generation immigrants and white people committing crimes simply because there are less of them living in terrible conditions.

I'd bet that the majority of white criminals are of a poor social and economical background.

In order to tackle crime correctly you need to sort out poor social mobility and have a greater distribution of wealth.



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TruckOSaurus said:
mrstickball said:
In Rochester, it's 95%, TruckOSaurus:
http://www.populistamerica.com/da__95__of_gun_related_crimes_committed_with_illegal_guns

Thanks mrstickball! That is really high!

 

 

My ballparkfigure from what I remember was somewhere between 95 and 98% Thus why I believe this whole argument over gun crimes and out lawing guns is just stupid.



SamuelRSmith said:
I don't think race has a big thing to do with it, I'd say it'd have more to do with economical reasons. It stands to reason that a larger percentage of immigrants will be living in less economically-developed areas, and are probably subject to low social-mobality.

Of course, there is a lower percentage of second/third/etc... generation immigrants and white people committing crimes simply because there are less of them living in terrible conditions.

I'd bet that the majority of white criminals are of a poor social and economical background.

In order to tackle crime correctly you need to sort out poor social mobility and have a greater distribution of wealth.

I would agree that it's more economic than anything else. But I think that helps the argument that the distribution of wealth, and our immigration (allowing so many to come in-country and fill the more menial, bad jobs) is causing the crime in America, rather than guns.

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Of course, if you raised the price of guns through the roof (which outlawing guns would do on the black market), then the poor people wouldn't be able to afford them.



Sharky54 said:
TruckOSaurus said:
mrstickball said:
In Rochester, it's 95%, TruckOSaurus:
http://www.populistamerica.com/da__95__of_gun_related_crimes_committed_with_illegal_guns

Thanks mrstickball! That is really high!

 

 

My ballparkfigure from what I remember was somewhere between 95 and 98% Thus why I believe this whole argument over gun crimes and out lawing guns is just stupid.

I wouldn't say that because if you read the article linked by mrstickball it says :

"District Attorney Mike Green says most of the illegal guns in Rochester are stolen and were at one time were lawfully on someone's permit. "If we could control the guns some of these incidents that wind up as homicides might be fist fights instead of homicides. The one thing people at home can do right now is take care of your guns the way you're supposed t. Get them locked up the way they're supposed to be locked up and keep them from getting into the hands of criminals. "

 

So having guns easily available to honest citizens who want to protect themselves has the side effect of making it easier for a criminal to find a gun to steal.

 



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SamuelRSmith said:
Of course, if you raised the price of guns through the roof (which outlawing guns would do on the black market), then the poor people wouldn't be able to afford them.

 

Changing laws on legal weapons has a very small effect on illgeal weapons.



I think Chris Rock had the perfect solution :



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Oh also, its so simple to make your own bullets for pretty much any type of weapon.



Sharky54 said:
Oh also, its so simple to make your own bullets for pretty much any type of weapon.

You make them from what? Wouldn't that take an awfully long time? Especially for an automatic weapon.

 



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Sorry work got the best of me, did people just discount the data in:

http://www.gun-control-network.org/International.gif

Because of Switzerland? I believe even in the shitty US educatoinal system they still teach statstics, and as I can remember correctly such a thing as outliers does exist. Also that one outlier (Switzerland) barely affects the correlation. Plot them on your Mathematica/TI-83s, I dare you.



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