What do you mean straw man? If Wii Fit and Wii Sports were excluded, it sounds like the conversation started either-or.

But since that is not where it is headed, I think what was meant was that the HD consoles would be better with Mario and Zelda.

In which case I agree.

   The straw man is using the controllers to counteract the argument that the Wii games would have been better with current graphics.  The controllers could quite simply work with any level of graphics, and so the graphics question and controller question really have no direct relation.

   A higher quality Wii could have shipped with a higher quality Wii Sports rather easily.

So what you're saying is that Nintendo should have lost money on each console when they were starting from last place?

The Xbox managed to get GTA. Of all the games that were released last generation, a 16(?) million seller is not something you would expect to get ported, since they already made so much money off of it.........yet it did. Why was that game not ported to the Gamecube? If they felt that an install base of 24 million was enough to make a profit on, why not go for the install base of 21 million as well, since it should have been easy enough to port?

I think you could save us a lot of trouble by rewording your argument from "Wii games would have been better with current graphics" to "Wii games would be prettier with current graphics."

I also think "current graphics" were an unsustainable business model even before the recession, and they are becoming less sustainable.  How many developers who use "current graphics" are making money?

no, what hes saying is he would like to enjoy his fav titles in HD and he pinpointed the games that didnt rely on motion controls im assuming.

I read this thread and all I see is a bunch of whining about stupid shit, if you want Wii games, buy a Wii, that simple, don't whine about wanting the HD graphics or advanced technology, if you like Mario Kart buy it.

FFS, get over the biased bullshit, great games come out on every platform no matter the tech and if you're whining wanting more powerful tech go buy a PC... seriously people if you want all the games it's as simple as buying all the consoles and a nice PC... instead of bitching about every little detail on the internet.

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Saying that adding even more technology with HD graphics will make games great is also a straw man argument.

I understand the argument and everything, but it seems easy to argue your POV now with the hindsight of 2 years of the Wii being in the market. Remember 2006? People were ready to just laugh at the idea that Nintendo were still trying to be in the market, let alone be successful.

For two straight gens, they were the more powerful console and for two straight gens they were either a far away second place or dead last. And you both are still arguing that a more powerful, HD console will work for Nintendo? With or without motion controls, an HD Wii after suffering from two miserable generations (though somewhat profitable) would be devastating for Nintendo due to the costs.

If Nintendo Wii HD was just as expensive as the PS3 or 360, who is going to buy it? Everybody will flock to the other systems or just not buy any at all, causing another video game crash.

You guys are thinking that the power and the graphics are what makes the games. That is, imo, a load of crap. The graphics, achievements/trophies are all icings. In the end, there is a reason why video games, movies and books are different. Books are the most basic forms of entertainment, telling stories to entertain but require your imagination. Movies are the next step, with pictures in motion to replace your imagination. Video games are the next step, but not because it is better than RL (I mean c'mon, how can it replace the graphics of real life) but because of manual input, or the idea of affecting the character and the story. Nintendo finally understands this and are taking advantage of it.

If you are thinking that Nintendo games need high end graphics and online to effectively entertain people, then you just don't understand Nintendo and it is not for you. They have their icons not only survive, but thrive through so many gens that it isn't necessary for them to use graphics to appeal to millions...they just need a medium to paint their story for you to listen and a controller for you to tell the story the way you want to.

Don't worry, nothing is wrong with you. So what if the majority of people (or near majority, seeing that they are about 2% away from 50% marketshare) don't care about your vision of "high-end technology is the proper way to play games" ideology...you guys should choose what you want to play and enjoy it. But don't think that Nintendo is not better off at what they are doing right now and should follow Sony and Microsoft's way...they are doing what they needed to do to not only stay alive in the industry, but to excel to the top.

In other words, it isn't Nintendo....it's you. And I say this in the nicest way because there is nothing wrong with what you want...it is wrong, though, to expect Nintendo to change for you.

In other words, they'd be the same games, but prettier, and without the motion control (oh wait, you're excluding those games, even though many of the games you mention use it).