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Dark Chaos on 11 March 2009
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

 

Wait. Take of your -$ony glasses. Gamecube had the highest software ratio and was profitable. N64 was second, profitable and had great games. Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2.

PS3 is the most expensive, has the least number of games, losses tons of money, last in sales and considering it was coming after the PS2 the most successful console in history. Its an epic fail



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KLucifer on 11 March 2009

with SKU the only thing i see wrong with that is...they only have 2 different models....20gb or 60gb...then it was 40 or 80...now 80 or 160....confusing???...no....u really only have 2 choices....if 2 choices is too many...then 360 is also failing...arcade, pro, elite....doh...

well that's about the only thing i dont agree with....



DMeisterJ on 11 March 2009

Nothing to argue here.

Welcome to 'Reason sony failed discussion 1.002.001



BladeOfGod on 11 March 2009
Dark Chaos said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

 

Wait. Take of your -$ony glasses. Gamecube had the highest software ratio and was profitable. N64 was second, profitable and had great games. Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2.

PS3 is the most expensive, has the least number of games, losses tons of money, last in sales and considering it was coming after the PS2 the most successful console in history. Its an epic fail

 

 

Oh I didn't mean to insult Nintendo or start console war Mr. Nintendo fanboy. I was just speaking the normal facts. Please dont get pissed off because of that.

 

Oh and i think by''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2'' you thought''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS3''. Well guess what. PS3 is gonna outsell the GameCube very very soon, and PS3 is selling better than PS1 so why do you think N64 is doing better than PS3?



Kasz216 on 11 March 2009
BladeOfGod said:
Dark Chaos said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

 

Wait. Take of your -$ony glasses. Gamecube had the highest software ratio and was profitable. N64 was second, profitable and had great games. Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2.

PS3 is the most expensive, has the least number of games, losses tons of money, last in sales and considering it was coming after the PS2 the most successful console in history. Its an epic fail

 

 

Oh I didn't mean to insult Nintendo or start console war Mr. Nintendo fanboy. I was just speaking the normal facts. Please dont get pissed off because of that.

 

Oh and i think by''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2'' you thought''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS3''. Well guess what. PS3 is gonna outsell the GameCube very very soon, and PS3 is selling better than PS1 so why do you think N64 is doing better than PS3?

I'm sure his reply will be that it didn't cost it's parent company billions of dollars.

 



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BladeOfGod on 11 March 2009
Kasz216 said:

How are PSP games not profitable for Sony? They get a liscensing fee for every game produced... and it costs them nothing for the majority of them.

The only thing that's losing Sony big bucks is the PS3 in the gaming department.

It's not somethign you can get around.  The numbers are right infront of your eyes up there.  The loses coincide with the PS3.  It's not some magical coincidence.

Ask sony themselves and they'll tell you.  The PS3 lost them tons of money.

Do you honestly expect the PS3 to ever be more successful then the PS2 in terms of profit?

If not... the PS3 will end the generation costing Sony money.

How is that not a failure?

 

 

Actually, when PS1 was launched Sony had one of the biggest lost they made. But they did managed to MAKE PROFIT FROM PS1 LATER and made billions on Playstation brand.

 

In fact, Sony had 2 big losses. In 1995 when Ps1 was launched and in 2008 in PS3's second year. But sony made profit from PS1 and i am sure they are gonna make profit from PS3.



BladeOfGod on 11 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Dark Chaos said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

 

Wait. Take of your -$ony glasses. Gamecube had the highest software ratio and was profitable. N64 was second, profitable and had great games. Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2.

PS3 is the most expensive, has the least number of games, losses tons of money, last in sales and considering it was coming after the PS2 the most successful console in history. Its an epic fail

 

 

Oh I didn't mean to insult Nintendo or start console war Mr. Nintendo fanboy. I was just speaking the normal facts. Please dont get pissed off because of that.

 

Oh and i think by''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS2'' you thought''Plus none are doing as bad as the PS3''. Well guess what. PS3 is gonna outsell the GameCube very very soon, and PS3 is selling better than PS1 so why do you think N64 is doing better than PS3?

I'm sure his reply will be that it didn't cost it's parent company billions of dollars.

 

Wait, are we talking about sales or the profit consoles made? Because Sony is not only selling video game consoles.



Kasz216 on 11 March 2009
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:

How are PSP games not profitable for Sony? They get a liscensing fee for every game produced... and it costs them nothing for the majority of them.

The only thing that's losing Sony big bucks is the PS3 in the gaming department.

It's not somethign you can get around.  The numbers are right infront of your eyes up there.  The loses coincide with the PS3.  It's not some magical coincidence.

Ask sony themselves and they'll tell you.  The PS3 lost them tons of money.

Do you honestly expect the PS3 to ever be more successful then the PS2 in terms of profit?

If not... the PS3 will end the generation costing Sony money.

How is that not a failure?

 

 

Actually, when PS1 was launched Sony had one of the biggest lost they made. But they did managed to MAKE PROFIT FROM PS1 LATER and made billions on Playstation brand.

 

In fact, Sony had 2 big losses. In 1995 when Ps1 was launched and in 2008 in PS3's second year. But sony made profit from PS1 and i am sure they are gonna make profit from PS3.

Got any info from that?  Cause i'm looking direclty at their financial reports and I don't see it.

Where they lost like over a billion dollars on the PS1 it's first year.  (Let alone first two.)

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2008/index.html

If you need to go looking.



numonex on 12 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
ps3 will be a fail to sony if sony has to pull it off much sooner than its 10 year plan... with 3 years in us market and 2 in ww market is not much to jump right now to the end... sony is losing money... and user base... but if you think a little bit... xbox360 is ahead but not much even been much cheaper... dont think m$ is failing for that too... its just the limitation of its product... wii sell alot more... but wii owners are young people who in majority dont have $ independence and dont get all the games it wants as for ps3 owners the majority is much older and has $ independence as ps3 users have more games per console then wii owners ... that sooner or latter will make a difference ... most of wii owners would like to have a ps3 but daddy say not to a such expensive console... we have to see that ps3 its target to a smaller universe of possible users ... its not supposed to out sell wii or xbox360 in this early years... Just my opinion... ps3 is not failing for me... its great ... its what i expect and its delivering every thing i want... not many people want what i want and can get what i have but this is ps3 way... not to every one... its for who take the games serious... IMHO!

So... losing marketshare... losing the company more money then the PS2 made isn't a failure so long as they support the product for 10 years?

The rest ... You just seem to be babling and seem to be engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance.

Whether or not the PS3 is failing to you is largely irrelevent.  The PS3 is a product, designed to make it's parent company money.  That's the method in which it should be judged on whether it was a success or not.

 

ok you have your point... but will see if it was a failure in the end or in the beginning??? until now it is normal to been bad as it was very expensive to develop such a machine and all... but i think it will give its fruits... when every company spends allot of money developing a product and its intended to be on the market for at least 10 years it is premature to make a judgement with just 3 years info. its was a big investment... but until the end its just babling saying that failed.

It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years.

So... for the PS3 to succeed.  Not only does it need to reverse trends... but it needs to suddenly become more popular and  succesful then the PS2... the most succesful console ever.

This would be like argueing that it's too early to call Darko Millic a failure because he could still prove to be better then Dwayne Wade... since he's still playing in the NBA.

While theoretically possible the chances of it happening are so remote that there is plenty of reason to call it early.

 

you say... "It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years."  where can i see what makes you say this... not saying that is not true but cant find that info anywhere...

by the way... i am European so i dont understand nothing of your basketball league...you will to go with more universal examples as you can understand nothing about european soccer to...

Look up Sony's financial reports.  Since the PS3 has been launched the losses have been worse then the profits all during the PS2 era. 

These numbers are accurate up to about last April.  Sony has lost more since then... and PS2 started in 2000.  With support from PS1 which was another 9-10 year system.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284797&page=4

 

Sony Nintendo Microsoft Industry
1998 1,253,000,000 809,000,000 2,062,000,000
1999 1,431,000,000 817,000,000 2,248,000,000
2000 900,000,000 519,000,000 1,419,000,000
2001 -488,000,000 866,000,000 378,000,000
2002 731,000,000 939,000,000 -880,000,000 790,000,000
2003 1,076,000,000 642,000,000 -1,365,000,000 353,000,000
2004 731,000,000 355,000,000 -1,367,000,000 -281,000,000
2005 440,000,000 846,000,000 -528,000,000 758,000,000
2006 79,000,000 942,000,000 -1,329,000,000 -308,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000 -2,372,000,000
2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000 1,758,000,000

 

 Holy shit, is microsoft really doing that bad?

With their entertainment division... yeah?  There was the Xbox that was a big sinkhole... the Zune which sucked... and the 360 was hurting early on due to RROD.

 

 

Sony's game division financial records are on a downward spiral. Microsoft made its first ever profit in its game division and is on the rise. Nintendo a video game only company has well made profits in every single calendar year since it started in video game industry around 25 years ago.

According to those financial figures PS3 is Sony's money sink. Huge PS3 losses on hardware and people want a PS3 price cut. Sony would lose more money in their game division. Foreign exchange rates all thanks to the high Yen would see bigger losses made if a PS3 price cut was made universally before the end of the year. Sony could not reduce production costs or sell enough software  to offset PS3 hardware losses.



NightAntilli on 12 March 2009

About the SKU's, i see people saying the X360 also had many. But the main difference is, that not much changed between them. The only big differences were basically added HDMI port and now 60GB for the Pro instead of 20GB. Other than that, the motherboard etc changed, but that's no difference to most users because they just buy a console and never bother to look what's inside.

With the PS3 it's another story. Backwards compatibility changed, memory card slots changed, usb ports changed, hard disk size hanged, controllers changed, and the thing is, you can't see the difference easily on the outside of the box, because they basically all look the same.. It basically only shows the hard disk size. With the X360 it shows very clearly which one is arcade, pro and elite. So yeah...



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