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Aj_habfan on 11 March 2009

I can't believe how many posts this thread has...



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sergiodaly on 11 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
ps3 will be a fail to sony if sony has to pull it off much sooner than its 10 year plan... with 3 years in us market and 2 in ww market is not much to jump right now to the end... sony is losing money... and user base... but if you think a little bit... xbox360 is ahead but not much even been much cheaper... dont think m$ is failing for that too... its just the limitation of its product... wii sell alot more... but wii owners are young people who in majority dont have $ independence and dont get all the games it wants as for ps3 owners the majority is much older and has $ independence as ps3 users have more games per console then wii owners ... that sooner or latter will make a difference ... most of wii owners would like to have a ps3 but daddy say not to a such expensive console... we have to see that ps3 its target to a smaller universe of possible users ... its not supposed to out sell wii or xbox360 in this early years... Just my opinion... ps3 is not failing for me... its great ... its what i expect and its delivering every thing i want... not many people want what i want and can get what i have but this is ps3 way... not to every one... its for who take the games serious... IMHO!

So... losing marketshare... losing the company more money then the PS2 made isn't a failure so long as they support the product for 10 years?

The rest ... You just seem to be babling and seem to be engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance.

Whether or not the PS3 is failing to you is largely irrelevent.  The PS3 is a product, designed to make it's parent company money.  That's the method in which it should be judged on whether it was a success or not.

 

ok you have your point... but will see if it was a failure in the end or in the beginning??? until now it is normal to been bad as it was very expensive to develop such a machine and all... but i think it will give its fruits... when every company spends allot of money developing a product and its intended to be on the market for at least 10 years it is premature to make a judgement with just 3 years info. its was a big investment... but until the end its just babling saying that failed.

It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years.

So... for the PS3 to succeed.  Not only does it need to reverse trends... but it needs to suddenly become more popular and  succesful then the PS2... the most succesful console ever.

This would be like argueing that it's too early to call Darko Millic a failure because he could still prove to be better then Dwayne Wade... since he's still playing in the NBA.

While theoretically possible the chances of it happening are so remote that there is plenty of reason to call it early.

 

you say... "It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years."  where can i see what makes you say this... not saying that is not true but cant find that info anywhere...

by the way... i am European so i dont understand nothing of your basketball league...you will to go with more universal examples as you can understand nothing about european soccer to...

Look up Sony's financial reports.  Since the PS3 has been launched the losses have been worse then the profits all during the PS2 era. 

These numbers are accurate up to about last April.  Sony has lost more since then... and PS2 started in 2000.  With support from PS1 which was another 9-10 year system.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284797&page=4

 

Sony Nintendo Microsoft Industry
1998 1,253,000,000 809,000,000 2,062,000,000
1999 1,431,000,000 817,000,000 2,248,000,000
2000 900,000,000 519,000,000 1,419,000,000
2001 -488,000,000 866,000,000 378,000,000
2002 731,000,000 939,000,000 -880,000,000 790,000,000
2003 1,076,000,000 642,000,000 -1,365,000,000 353,000,000
2004 731,000,000 355,000,000 -1,367,000,000 -281,000,000
2005 440,000,000 846,000,000 -528,000,000 758,000,000
2006 79,000,000 942,000,000 -1,329,000,000 -308,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000 -2,372,000,000
2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000 1,758,000,000

 

ok... by those numbers you give ... 2007 was the worse year for every body exept for nintendo and we all know why... sony is no diferent from any other tecnology company... that said ... in business we have to spend money to make money... they might be falling in the numbers part and there are alot of reasons to that other then ps3 in paticular, but as a console and it is what this tread is about... IMO they did an excellent job. they where wrong thinking that every body takes games as serius as they, but that is a business market target fail not a product fail...

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frybread on 11 March 2009

Good summary



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BladeOfGod on 11 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

You don't think most people consider the N64 and the Gamecube failures?

Most people do.  They aren't talking about it though because it's the past.

Did you miss all the articles about how the Gamecube was going to force Nintendo out of the console market?

I suppose you could argue they weren't failures because they didn't lose Nintendo money.  (See above chart) But then again they might have and the portables just made it up.

 

 

 No, i never really saw any anti Nintendo blogs in last generation. Nintendo made profit thanks to Game Boy Advance and Game Boy Color, Gamecube has almost nothing to do with it. And i think the people who think N64 is a failure are rare to find. It finished second above Saturne and below PS1.



Kasz216 on 11 March 2009
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
ps3 will be a fail to sony if sony has to pull it off much sooner than its 10 year plan... with 3 years in us market and 2 in ww market is not much to jump right now to the end... sony is losing money... and user base... but if you think a little bit... xbox360 is ahead but not much even been much cheaper... dont think m$ is failing for that too... its just the limitation of its product... wii sell alot more... but wii owners are young people who in majority dont have $ independence and dont get all the games it wants as for ps3 owners the majority is much older and has $ independence as ps3 users have more games per console then wii owners ... that sooner or latter will make a difference ... most of wii owners would like to have a ps3 but daddy say not to a such expensive console... we have to see that ps3 its target to a smaller universe of possible users ... its not supposed to out sell wii or xbox360 in this early years... Just my opinion... ps3 is not failing for me... its great ... its what i expect and its delivering every thing i want... not many people want what i want and can get what i have but this is ps3 way... not to every one... its for who take the games serious... IMHO!

So... losing marketshare... losing the company more money then the PS2 made isn't a failure so long as they support the product for 10 years?

The rest ... You just seem to be babling and seem to be engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance.

Whether or not the PS3 is failing to you is largely irrelevent.  The PS3 is a product, designed to make it's parent company money.  That's the method in which it should be judged on whether it was a success or not.

 

ok you have your point... but will see if it was a failure in the end or in the beginning??? until now it is normal to been bad as it was very expensive to develop such a machine and all... but i think it will give its fruits... when every company spends allot of money developing a product and its intended to be on the market for at least 10 years it is premature to make a judgement with just 3 years info. its was a big investment... but until the end its just babling saying that failed.

It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years.

So... for the PS3 to succeed.  Not only does it need to reverse trends... but it needs to suddenly become more popular and  succesful then the PS2... the most succesful console ever.

This would be like argueing that it's too early to call Darko Millic a failure because he could still prove to be better then Dwayne Wade... since he's still playing in the NBA.

While theoretically possible the chances of it happening are so remote that there is plenty of reason to call it early.

 

you say... "It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years."  where can i see what makes you say this... not saying that is not true but cant find that info anywhere...

by the way... i am European so i dont understand nothing of your basketball league...you will to go with more universal examples as you can understand nothing about european soccer to...

Look up Sony's financial reports.  Since the PS3 has been launched the losses have been worse then the profits all during the PS2 era. 

These numbers are accurate up to about last April.  Sony has lost more since then... and PS2 started in 2000.  With support from PS1 which was another 9-10 year system.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284797&page=4

 

Sony Nintendo Microsoft Industry
1998 1,253,000,000 809,000,000 2,062,000,000
1999 1,431,000,000 817,000,000 2,248,000,000
2000 900,000,000 519,000,000 1,419,000,000
2001 -488,000,000 866,000,000 378,000,000
2002 731,000,000 939,000,000 -880,000,000 790,000,000
2003 1,076,000,000 642,000,000 -1,365,000,000 353,000,000
2004 731,000,000 355,000,000 -1,367,000,000 -281,000,000
2005 440,000,000 846,000,000 -528,000,000 758,000,000
2006 79,000,000 942,000,000 -1,329,000,000 -308,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000 -2,372,000,000
2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000 1,758,000,000

 

ok... by those numbers you give ... 2007 was the worse year for every body exept for nintendo and we all know why... sony is no diferent from any other tecnology company... that said ... in business we have to spend money to make money... they might be falling in the numbers part and there are alot of reasons to that other then ps3 in paticular, but as a console and it is what this tread is about... IMO they did an excellent job. they where wrong thinking that every body takes games as serius as they, but that is a business market target fail not a product fail...

Those numbers are for SCE.

So they are for

PS2 and PS2 games (Very profitable)
PSP and PSP games (Profitable)
PS3 (unprofitable.)

Heck the PS3 has been more then a failure... it's a disaster.  It's almost "Final Fantasy: Spirits Within" level.



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Kasz216 on 11 March 2009
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kasz216 said:
NightAntilli said:

I still find the arguments here funny.. "The PS3 is failing" "No it's not failing" "yes it is" "no it isn't".

Instead of throwing stupid words back and forth. Lets examine this a little closer. The first step is, explain what you mean by failing. You can look at this in different ways.



The first way is, the PS3 has been able to keep up to PS2 hardware sales, it has been able to keep up with PS1 hardware sales, so it isn't failing.

 

What?  Not it hasn't.  It's not even close.... what are you talking about.

PS3 is way behind PS2 even when you ignore the fact that the PS2 was much more staggered when it came to launches.

 

 SO WHAT??? Just because its not selling as good as the PS2 doesn't mean is failing. GameCube couldn't outsell N64,  N64, couldn't outsell SNES, SNES couldn't outsell the NES. But i don't see anybody saying these Nintendo consoles are failure. You don't expect every next Sony console to outsell the last one do you? PS3 is about to outsell all last gen consoles besides PS2,which is best selling console in the world

You don't think most people consider the N64 and the Gamecube failures?

Most people do.  They aren't talking about it though because it's the past.

Did you miss all the articles about how the Gamecube was going to force Nintendo out of the console market?

I suppose you could argue they weren't failures because they didn't lose Nintendo money.  (See above chart) But then again they might have and the portables just made it up.

 

 

 No, i never really saw any anti Nintendo blogs in last generation. Nintendo made profit thanks to Game Boy Advance and Game Boy Color, Gamecube has almost nothing to do with it. And i think the people who think N64 is a failure are rare to find. It finished second above Saturne and below PS1.

Even Nintendo refers to the Gamecube as a failure.

http://www.gamersmark.com/articles/148/

Even Nintendo called it a failure.  Sadly this interview isn't here anymore due to 1ups changing their site but here is the article link.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/why-the-gamecube-didnt-succeed-20031031/

EGM has an interesting and shockingly straightforward interview with George Harrison, senior vice president at Nintendo of America, about the past, present, and future of the video gaming company. In a nutshell, Harrison admits that Nintendo has made some mistakes, specifically with the GameCube, and asks that Nintendo fans keep the faith. He talks about the decision to not include DVD functionality in the Cube, the fact that it wasn't backwards-compatible, and that it doesn't have the good gaming consistency needed to thrive in a three console market.

 



Dgc1808 on 11 March 2009

That first picture's a lie!! The 20GB doesn't have a chrome or silver trim, just black!! Also the 160GB only has 2 USB ports!!! BUMB!!!

OT: Some good points here, but I don't think the sysytem is failing.



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darthdevidem01 on 11 March 2009

the PS3 is failing?



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BladeOfGod on 11 March 2009
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
Kasz216 said:
sergiodaly said:
ps3 will be a fail to sony if sony has to pull it off much sooner than its 10 year plan... with 3 years in us market and 2 in ww market is not much to jump right now to the end... sony is losing money... and user base... but if you think a little bit... xbox360 is ahead but not much even been much cheaper... dont think m$ is failing for that too... its just the limitation of its product... wii sell alot more... but wii owners are young people who in majority dont have $ independence and dont get all the games it wants as for ps3 owners the majority is much older and has $ independence as ps3 users have more games per console then wii owners ... that sooner or latter will make a difference ... most of wii owners would like to have a ps3 but daddy say not to a such expensive console... we have to see that ps3 its target to a smaller universe of possible users ... its not supposed to out sell wii or xbox360 in this early years... Just my opinion... ps3 is not failing for me... its great ... its what i expect and its delivering every thing i want... not many people want what i want and can get what i have but this is ps3 way... not to every one... its for who take the games serious... IMHO!

So... losing marketshare... losing the company more money then the PS2 made isn't a failure so long as they support the product for 10 years?

The rest ... You just seem to be babling and seem to be engaging in a bit of cognitive dissonance.

Whether or not the PS3 is failing to you is largely irrelevent.  The PS3 is a product, designed to make it's parent company money.  That's the method in which it should be judged on whether it was a success or not.

 

ok you have your point... but will see if it was a failure in the end or in the beginning??? until now it is normal to been bad as it was very expensive to develop such a machine and all... but i think it will give its fruits... when every company spends allot of money developing a product and its intended to be on the market for at least 10 years it is premature to make a judgement with just 3 years info. its was a big investment... but until the end its just babling saying that failed.

It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years.

So... for the PS3 to succeed.  Not only does it need to reverse trends... but it needs to suddenly become more popular and  succesful then the PS2... the most succesful console ever.

This would be like argueing that it's too early to call Darko Millic a failure because he could still prove to be better then Dwayne Wade... since he's still playing in the NBA.

While theoretically possible the chances of it happening are so remote that there is plenty of reason to call it early.

 

you say... "It lost more money then the PS2 made.  The PS2 has lasted 9 years."  where can i see what makes you say this... not saying that is not true but cant find that info anywhere...

by the way... i am European so i dont understand nothing of your basketball league...you will to go with more universal examples as you can understand nothing about european soccer to...

Look up Sony's financial reports.  Since the PS3 has been launched the losses have been worse then the profits all during the PS2 era. 

These numbers are accurate up to about last April.  Sony has lost more since then... and PS2 started in 2000.  With support from PS1 which was another 9-10 year system.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284797&page=4

 

Sony Nintendo Microsoft Industry
1998 1,253,000,000 809,000,000 2,062,000,000
1999 1,431,000,000 817,000,000 2,248,000,000
2000 900,000,000 519,000,000 1,419,000,000
2001 -488,000,000 866,000,000 378,000,000
2002 731,000,000 939,000,000 -880,000,000 790,000,000
2003 1,076,000,000 642,000,000 -1,365,000,000 353,000,000
2004 731,000,000 355,000,000 -1,367,000,000 -281,000,000
2005 440,000,000 846,000,000 -528,000,000 758,000,000
2006 79,000,000 942,000,000 -1,329,000,000 -308,000,000
2007 -1,969,000,000 1,489,000,000 -1,892,000,000 -2,372,000,000
2008 -1,254,000,000 2,480,000,000 532,000,000 1,758,000,000

 

ok... by those numbers you give ... 2007 was the worse year for every body exept for nintendo and we all know why... sony is no diferent from any other tecnology company... that said ... in business we have to spend money to make money... they might be falling in the numbers part and there are alot of reasons to that other then ps3 in paticular, but as a console and it is what this tread is about... IMO they did an excellent job. they where wrong thinking that every body takes games as serius as they, but that is a business market target fail not a product fail...

Those numbers are for SCE.

So they are for

PS2 and PS2 games (Very profitable)
PSP and PSP games (Profitable)
PS3 (unprofitable.)

Heck the PS3 has been more then a failure... it's a disaster.  It's almost "Final Fantasy: Spirits Within" level.

Are you kidding me? PSP games profitable? PSP has the worst software sales because of hackers who hacked it and made it play pirated games. PS3 software sales on the other hand have been increased for 65%.PS3 actually had 2 top selling games on the list last week outselling both Wii sports and wii fit.

 



Kasz216 on 11 March 2009

How are PSP games not profitable for Sony? They get a liscensing fee for every game produced... and it costs them nothing for the majority of them.

The only thing that's losing Sony big bucks is the PS3 in the gaming department.

It's not somethign you can get around.  The numbers are right infront of your eyes up there.  The loses coincide with the PS3.  It's not some magical coincidence.

Ask sony themselves and they'll tell you.  The PS3 lost them tons of money.

Do you honestly expect the PS3 to ever be more successful then the PS2 in terms of profit?

If not... the PS3 will end the generation costing Sony money.

How is that not a failure?