well I also make exception to kill pests like flies or cockroaches or whatever that do not belong in my house
Meat-eaters kill more plants AND animals than vegetarians. And waste way more clean water, which is pretty bad since we don't have enough for humans anyway.
I'm cutting back on cow because they waste the most water and hurt the atmosphere the most, but I still eat meat. Just not half as much as I used to. The only time I absolutely need cow is when I'm at a taco truck that has lengua.
Cows are the most wasteful of all the animals we eat. And red meat is the most unhealthy of all the meats we eat (well, except for some types of pork). So do yourself and the environment a favor and cut back on or stop eating red meat.
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| Moongoddess256 said: I'm a vegan because I don't need animal products. Its not moral if you don't need it. I live in a country where there are simple alternatives to everything, thus I don't need it. It would be different if I lived in a third world country. |
Now here's a question for you:
There is a dead rabbit on the ground. Someone (the person who killed the first rabbit) holds a gun to another rabbits head and says to you that if you that if you don't eat the dead rabbit, he'll kill the one he's holding.
What would you do as a vegan? is availability of substitutes your only reason?
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I understand that meat-eaters use more plant and animal matter. Energy conversion from plant to animal to human ...i get that and the methane aspect. I say industrialization kills more plants and animals than direct consumption or raising for consumption, unrelated things.
I'm just saying nobody seems to care about the cost of doing business that doesn't directly (or so that it is obviously visible) kill animals. How many people here stopped buying anything made out of plastic? Laptops? Logging onto the internets tubes? Which necessitates a network of millions.
| jv103 said: I guess I'm getting at how do we value another species life? Cow vs Chicken vs Dog vs Cat vs Spider vs Wasps. |
Ignoring obvious things like taste, it seems that it is based on similarity to humans, in Western society at least
Top Tier
Humans - Do not eat them
2nd Tier
Dolphins - They're playful, and remind us of children
Any monkey/ape/gorilla etc - We evolved from them, it's basically cannibalism
3rd Tier
Other Mammals - Most people eat them
4th Tier
Fish - Even more people eat them
N/A
Insects/Rodents - Don't eat them because they're gross, not for moral reasons
I just about only eat meat. I can't stand veggies and most fruits.
As for the killing of animals, I think it's only moral if you're going to use them of a good purpose (and a tasty steak is a good purpose, imo).
It's not like they are sentient or anything. I'm sure those uneasy out about killing animals have no qualms about stepping on a roach if one enters their house.
Regarding murder of animals, I would like to not kill animals that have evolved mentally to the point where they can have intense romantic relationships and close family units that can lead to everything from recreational sex to suicidal depression after the loss of a loved one. That means no monkeys, dolphins, or elephants.
I am not morally opposed to the killing of cows, if they will be used for a good purpose, and if it is done humanely (not the kind where their throats are slit and they bleed to death crying), but I've also cut back almost entirely on my cow intake for the sake of the atmosphere. That's a different moral choice though. The amount of cows we currently have are killing the atmosphere by wasting water, wasting plants (which wasted water because they were grown just to be cow food), and creating too much methane. At this point, with that information, eating cows is really selfish.
The U.N. said everybody could make a difference in our atmosphere just by going vegetarian a single day of the week. It's healthier for your body, and it's healthier for the planet.
Regarding bugs, fuck 'em. They have no tear ducts, which means they don't cry, which means they have no souls anyway. Especially spiders, the only thing on this planet I would call evil. They make traps, and they make multiple kinds. Webs, trap doors, and demented combinations. I would gladly exterminate every spider on the planet. Frogs would replace them as the bug-eating champions of the food chain. We'd just have to do our part by eating way more frog legs so they don't take over the planet.
Spankey said:
Now here's a question for you: There is a dead rabbit on the ground. Someone (the person who killed the first rabbit) holds a gun to another rabbits head and says to you that if you that if you don't eat the dead rabbit, he'll kill the one he's holding. What would you do as a vegan? is availability of substitutes your only reason? |
You know, that scenario is just gross. We aren't talking a piece of fried chicken here. Rabbits are rodents. You are asking if I would eat a dead rodent, raw? NO.
[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan
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