^ so halo 3 controlls suck too

 As far as I understand Halo 3 worst lag is 2 frames. From what Ive seen KZ2 has had up to 5 frames lag. You can feel it when you play it.

I dont want to start a flame war. So if I'm wrong about Halo 3 lag, then show me. And I'll apologise for wrongful info.

 so uve played KZ then?

Played the demo loads, but only about 3 ish hours of full game. level 5. I will finish it, but other recent releases have pulled me in much more.

They might announce something with the controls this week. Honestly, I hope they don't mess with the multiplayer controls as those are fine. I haven't had too much of a problem with the singleplayer controls, but perhaps they could be tweaked just a little bit.

Don't sit here and attack me for saying this, but I pretty much only snipe now so i would know, I have NO issues with Lag whatsoever. Might just be me tho so who knows. It may be that some people have the issues and some don't which is a very possible theory.

Ok, so you can't read or you just don't bother. In either case you shouldnt be posting on this thread.

For the third time, look up the Gamasutra article on game responsiveness:

1) all consoles games have input lag, in particular ones at 30fps

2) Halo 3 has a lag >= 4-5 frames in shooting (could be bigger depending on their tv set adjustment, they chose 2/60th second = 1 frame)

3) the very first video the OP posted, the one meant to prove the bad lag, measures the shooting lag in KZ2 as 4-5 frames without adjustment (meaning that at least a part of that time is really tv lag, at the best that's as little as 1/50th of sec ie half frame)

Conclusion: KZ2 lags less than Halo 3 and same or less than other 30fps games like GTAIV and Far Cry 2. It probably lags more than 60fps games like COD4, but we don't have measures atm.

Now this is a fact. Questions?

PS for the mods, after stating the same numbers three times compelte with link to sources, can't we consider posting regardless of the content of the thread flamebait or trolling? Thanks.

I apologise if I'm incorrect on the lag front. There is definately something amiss with the controls in KZ2 though. We all have to ask ourselves this.

If people were merely trying to find ways to troll this game, they wouldn't have chosen such a specific issue. There is a problem with the aiming. If you can't accept it, then you're either blinded by your fanaticism, or don't know what a responsive FPS should feel like. There is message boards filled with well known PS3 fanboys who go on about the controls of KZ2. That isnt coincidence.

That paragraph may sound harsh (although it's not directed at you directly) but there is an issue for it to be upsetting so many gamers. Personally Ive heard less say it's fine than the other way around.

But like a loser I will buy my copy, finish it becasue with the games faults still find it enjoyable. 8/10 from me.

Lets close the thread now.

Again, had you bothered reading in this very thread I spent some time measuring speeds and dead zone at various sensitivities and comparing it to a more classical PS3 shooter (Resisitance:FOM). And the conclusion is the same that Guerrilla gave on their forum: the acceleration makes all the difference (in detail: the curve mapping the stick position to crossair speed has a very wide slope).

Thus, you and many other players might have a problem with the aiming because it is different, PS3 fanboys or not. I don't think anything is off or amiss, it was just a control model I had to adapt to, exactly like in platforms I am able to adapt to different inertia or jumping height or speed. And, just for context, I am chiefly a PC fps player, been playing CS since when it was still an unofficial mod.

Just admit that the "you can feel it lags 5 frame" was just self-suggestion, and that the whole control feeling issue is entirely subjective. And try cranking _down_ the sensitivity in KZ2 if you want a more sharp feel.

If after that you still have troubles with the controls, nobody's pointing a gun at your head :) There's plenty of other games out there you or other people will have more fun playing, exactly like I sincerely prefer playing KZ2 over Halo 3 or COD 4, and with me again alot of other players.

Selnor is there any level of objectivity in your post's what so ever ?

"If people were merely trying to find ways to troll this game, they wouldn't have chosen such a specific issue. There is a problem with the aiming."

Surely the most effective way of trolling a game would be to find a "specific issue" relating to it and running with it . like it has been proven there is no serious input lag in comparison to games of the same FPS . I've played Killzone 2 for about 12 hours in multiplayer and there is no problem with the aiming , I somewhat dought you even have access to a PS3.

"That paragraph may sound harsh (although it's not directed at you directly) but there is an issue for it to be upsetting so many gamers. Personally Ive heard less say it's fine than the other way around."

I'd like to know where these "many gamers are" who are so disapointed in this game breaking feature , the reviewers haven't seemed to notice it , none of my friends or clan members have these people seemed to be a minority and most likely are.

"If you can't accept it, then you're either blinded by your fanaticism."

Oh the irony.

"But like a loser I will buy my copy, finish it becasue with the games faults still find it enjoyable. 8/10 from me."

I'm sure you will.