Well nvm screw what I first said they may have some stake in it.  Of course Suda and Grasshopper still would have to agree to it so not just their decision.  Take it up with both of them now haha.

See the part that I itaicized below.

Wanting to develop for the HD consoles is not a bad move -- especially when you realize that all consoles will be HD in the next generation. And it is not like development for the Wii will stop.

As for those wanting NMH 3 on PS3/Xbox 360 -- maybe you'll get a spin-off 8*>

For Marvelous, there's been a lot of emphasis on Nintendo platforms. There have been a couple of games that feel like they would have been more appropriate on the more hardcore platforms. How do you feel about that? Do you feel that it's still really good to mostly target Nintendo?

YW: We do have a really good relationship with Nintendo, so we'll continue making games for Nintendo. But at the same time, I'm very interested in the more hardcore platforms.

All of the development projects that are going on require a lot of technical skills and techniques, and we'd love to eventually improve to the point where we can go on to the PS3, 360 and PC.

To be honest, we always wanted to make a game on the hardcore platforms, but at that time, there wasn't enough money or skill. But now, I think we're at the point where we can actually go into it and start thinking that we can actually do it.

Mike from Morgantown

Does anyone else feel like the whole "hardcore vs. casual" is just a fallacious dichotomy perpetuated by gamers and the industry as a means of manipulating one another like so many puppets? Because I do.


A good game is a good game, regardless of platform, genre, or technology. Yes, some games have more technical punch behind them, but that doesn't determine the quality of a game. I'm just as likely to have a blast playing a good platforming game on the Sega Master System as I am playing a good shooter on a 360 or PS3.

For some reason it especially bugs me when developers use terms like "hardcore" or "casual" because the terms didn't exist until about two years ago, and everyone's definition varies anyway. I mean, I expect the usage of this word from 13-year-old fanboys trying to justify the fact that mom bought them Console A instead of Console B.


If Marvelous would like to make games for the HD consoles, then awesome-- I can't wait to see what they come up with ... but to continue the false dilemma that the Wii isn't "hardcore" is a bit childish. Yes, a good chunk of the Wii's library is forgettable, and maybe the demographics are different and/or broader, but the good games, are good. Period. There's no lockout chip that prevents a "hardcore" game (whatever that is) from working on the Wii.


Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant. It's been building up for a while. I know, this is just one dudes opinion, but still, hearing the terms "hardcore" and "casual" makes me want to use my balls as a pin cushion until I'm manly enough to understand what it means to be hardcore.

Again with the downloadable games. I thought I covered that. Read the highlighted section.

You might also wish to glance at my second paragraph, where I ask for examples of retail games. If you have some, I really would like to hear them. I'm not kidding, I'm genuinely curious.

And I'm not sure that the ninth iteration of a franchise—even if it's been in spinoff purgatory for years—counts as either quirky or original.

Damn. I saw this interview earlier and thought about making a thread for it in the proper context, but I just couldn't at the time. It's an interesting interview to be sure, but it's not nearly what people are making it out to be.

 I'm pretty shure that developing Tiger Woods for wiimote is way more advanced and requires more advanced programming skills than Tiger Woods HD with button gameplay...

This is just one example, there are many others...

I'm not sure if you consider Disgaea 3 a risk, but I sure would. Releasing that kind of game exclusive to a very unpopular system. I think it was a risk.

Close, but I'm looking for more of a creative risk than a financial one—well both, really. Disgaea is the third in the series and has a pedigree of similar SRPGs from the same developer. The point of the three Wii games I listed is that they're all kind of niche, they're all new IPs, and nothing quite like them has come before. They're also all about to become franchises, even though none of them have sold a million units (de Blob 2 hasn't been announced, but THQ keeps on talking about how pleased they are with it).

Mirror's Edge and Valkyria Chronicles come close, but I don't think either was quite successful enough. Also, they both look good (VC is freakin' gorgeous), and Mirror's Edge has had a pretty big marketing push behind it, too.

So is the problem that these kind of successes don't happen on HD, that money-men don't support these kind of cheap, original games on HD, or are we just all missing an obvious example?

What about Kameo or Viva Pinata? I can't remember too much about their marketing.

And I'd also say that Prince of Persia HD was a pretty big risk as it took the franchise and a new direction.

Viva Pinata is the best example so far, I think. It's a new IP turned into a franchise, and although I'm sure MS threw some weight behind it, I don't recall any big ad campaigns. I don't really know the game, but I've never heard it compared to another game so as to suggest it was derivative.

So this kind of success can happen on HD, it just isn't really common.