HappySqurriel thinks that based on what you said about freedom, you're not as socialist as you think you are.
Don't lose any sleep over it, big guy.
I think he is focusing too much on the "traditional" definitions of things.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: I think he is focusing too much on the "traditional" definitions of things. |
me or squirrel?
*yawns* anyway, what does he think is wrong with what i said
SciFiBoy said:
what makes pre-1960 values better than 2009 values? |
you could smoke and have sex at any age in 1960 and in 2009 there are rules and regulations on that stuff :P
LMAO!
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| akuma587 said: I think he is focusing too much on the "traditional" definitions of things. |
No, I just understand the definitions of things and try to understand people's positions rather than to misrepresent them ... While a lot of Social Democrats define themself as Socialists out of ignorance there are several important differences between the two political positions.
The reason why I pointed out the inconsistency with his position is because people rarely hold positions which are inconsistent with their true values. While there are hundreds of values most people would agree are desireable, most people only have a handful of true personal values which drive the decisions they make; and many values are mutually exclusive.
So I guess that means you agree that when Republicans claim Democrats are socialists that they are misleading people.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
HappySqurriel said:
Socialism is a very specific political-economic system, while capatalism is a much more generic economic system ... Saying you're a socialist would be much more like saying you are a laisse-faire capatalist, and if you later said that the government should regulate markets your stance would be inconsistent. |
No it's not. - There are many different ideas of how one would implement socialism (capital back to the people from state run enterprise or capital back to the state to be divided amongst the people), from equal outcome as you mentioned to equal oppurtunity. It's about as specific as capitalism. I think you have the idea that socialism is this static thing being defined solely by state control over something.
They're both ideologies and more easily defined in that form. I imagine you recognize the nuance of capitalism as it's your preferred economic system and are much more versed in it.
No it wouldn't. - It would just say what ideology you prefer. The first one is a general term, the second one is an idea within capitalism.
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