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Bitmap Frogs on 26 February 2009
ssj12 said:

 

Still I guess my standards is a bit to high for society as nightsurge stated as I have a more balanced mind for not giving a damn about things like race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Maybe it is that I believe that everyone has the right to express their beliefs freely without being judged by the masses no matter where they express themselves is considered wrong by the society at large (there are still moral and legal rights that need to be held strong if actions occur after the stated beliefs but the human voice should not be silenced).

 

 

Ah, so now that you are down on all fronts you are trying the "champion of the people" card to try to get out of this?

Just admit it, you have a grudge on MS.





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ssj12 on 26 February 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
nightsurge said:

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 

 

I see a difference in Microsoft's ToS compared to all the others:

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities;

XBox Live - Of a sexual nature is a really vague term under which stating your sexuality is wrong because it can be interpreted as being of sexual nature.

PSN - sexually offensive With that term stating you're a lesbian doesn't violate the ToS because it's not offensive.

XFire - sexually explicit or sexually suggestive Same as above, lesbian is neither sexual explicit or suggestive.

Impulse - promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites Here again lesbian doesn't cross the lines of the ToS because it's not sexual or pornographic material.

So what I'm saying is that under their ToS, Microsoft was in every right to ban the user but it seems they are the only ones pushing it this far.

 

This is pretty much what I just stated with the MS vs Sony TOS comparison.

@Bit-Frog - just read this post.

 



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madkiller on 26 February 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
nightsurge said:

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 

 

I see a difference in Microsoft's ToS compared to all the others:

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities;

XBox Live - Of a sexual nature is a really vague term under which stating your sexuality is wrong because it can be interpreted as being of sexual nature.

PSN - sexually offensive With that term stating you're a lesbian doesn't violate the ToS because it's not offensive.

XFire - sexually explicit or sexually suggestive Same as above, lesbian is neither sexual explicit or suggestive.

Impulse - promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites Here again lesbian doesn't cross the lines of the ToS because it's not sexual or pornographic material.

So what I'm saying is that under their ToS, Microsoft was in every right to ban the user but it seems they are the only ones pushing it this far.

 

Actually, you cannot say that lesbian is not sexually offensive because it is to a lot of people. Whether or not any word is sexually offensive is up to every person themselves. If someone finds it offensive then they have every right under the TOS to report that person, that is the entire purpose of the TOS and reporting abilities.

 



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ssj12 on 26 February 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

 

Still I guess my standards is a bit to high for society as nightsurge stated as I have a more balanced mind for not giving a damn about things like race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Maybe it is that I believe that everyone has the right to express their beliefs freely without being judged by the masses no matter where they express themselves is considered wrong by the society at large (there are still moral and legal rights that need to be held strong if actions occur after the stated beliefs but the human voice should not be silenced).

 

 

Ah, so now that you are down on all fronts you are trying the "champion of the people" card to try to get out of this?

Just admit it, you have a grudge on MS.

Sorry but I love Microsoft but just like Sony, Valve, Nintendo and many other companies they do stiupid things that I dont like.



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Amazing discussion about being wrong
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madkiller on 26 February 2009
ssj12 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

 

Still I guess my standards is a bit to high for society as nightsurge stated as I have a more balanced mind for not giving a damn about things like race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Maybe it is that I believe that everyone has the right to express their beliefs freely without being judged by the masses no matter where they express themselves is considered wrong by the society at large (there are still moral and legal rights that need to be held strong if actions occur after the stated beliefs but the human voice should not be silenced).

 

 

Ah, so now that you are down on all fronts you are trying the "champion of the people" card to try to get out of this?

Just admit it, you have a grudge on MS.

Sorry but I love Microsoft but just like Sony, Valve, Nintendo and many other companies they do stiupid things that I dont like.

I have never once seen you praise Microsoft...

 



"If you don't like me, bite me!"

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Bitmap Frogs on 26 February 2009
ssj12 said:

This is pretty much what I just stated with the MS vs Sony TOS comparison.

@Bit-Frog - just read this post.

 

 

On which you pretty much state that you dislike Microsoft for protecting themselves against potential lawsuits by making Xbox Live a place where controversial topics that can potentially trigger lawsuits are not allowed.





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nightsurge on 26 February 2009
TruckOSaurus said:
nightsurge said:

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 

 

I see a difference in Microsoft's ToS compared to all the others:

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities;

XBox Live - Of a sexual nature is a really vague term under which stating your sexuality is wrong because it can be interpreted as being of sexual nature.

PSN - sexually offensive With that term stating you're a lesbian doesn't violate the ToS because it's not offensive. -It very well can be and is to many people.  Who determines it is not offensive?  You?  Nope.  Sony and ONLY Sony.

XFire - sexually explicit or sexually suggestive Same as above, lesbian is neither sexual explicit or suggestive. So the term lesbian does not suggest sexual preference or even remotely suggest having sex with another female?

Impulse - promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites Here again lesbian doesn't cross the lines of the ToS because it's not sexual or pornographic material. - Saying "I AM A LESBIAN" in a profile is called "promoting" that you are a lesbian.

So what I'm saying is that under their ToS, Microsoft was in every right to ban the user but it seems they are the only ones pushing it this far.

 

So still, every group is in the same situation.

 



ssj12 on 26 February 2009
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

 

Still I guess my standards is a bit to high for society as nightsurge stated as I have a more balanced mind for not giving a damn about things like race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Maybe it is that I believe that everyone has the right to express their beliefs freely without being judged by the masses no matter where they express themselves is considered wrong by the society at large (there are still moral and legal rights that need to be held strong if actions occur after the stated beliefs but the human voice should not be silenced).

 

 

Ah, so now that you are down on all fronts you are trying the "champion of the people" card to try to get out of this?

Just admit it, you have a grudge on MS.

Sorry but I love Microsoft but just like Sony, Valve, Nintendo and many other companies they do stiupid things that I dont like.

I have never once seen you praise Microsoft...

 

 

You apparently never noticed I'm a PC gamer.. I like Windows. I might not like the 360 but I like Windows, DirectX, parts of the Office Suite, and some of their PC games. I also hate Games for Windows Live but thats because the service is worthless.



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Amazing discussion about being wrong
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Bitmap Frogs on 26 February 2009
nightsurge said:

So still, every group is in the same situation.

 

 

Yeah. I find it funny however - now that the haters can't say microsoft is homophobe anymore instead they are trying to squeeze this for collateral damage.

Agendas to push, axes to grind.





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

nightsurge on 26 February 2009

^^ Games for Windows Live pretty much does suck