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nightsurge on 26 February 2009

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 



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madkiller on 26 February 2009
ssj12 said:
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JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

Case closed, MS haters defeated once again...

 

Actually this just shows that there discrimination in the TOS against freedom of expression. So like the last question in that article states. Is it still wrong? the answer is YES.

You get more and more wrong with every post you make. It has NOTHING to do with discrimination. There would only be discrimination if they were banned because of their orientation. This is NOT the case. They were banned for using words that are against the TOS, which has nothing to do with discrimination. If you can't see this then you need to not bother posting anymore about anything EVER.

 

I just wont keep arguing because you dont understand Freedom of Expression in the USA and that the TOS goes against first amendment rights.

 

 

Wow, this is your worst argument yet. No TOS violates any constitutional rights. Want to know why? Because those TOS agreements are for private services where the company has complete control over the content The company can choose to not allow anything they want to on their service. Don't like it? Don't use their service. It is just like how a store can refuse to sell to anyone they damn well please.

 

 

Actually a store in Tampa was just closed down for that.

Wrong, no store can be closed for that. You might want to read up on some of these laws that you obviously know nothing about. Every privately owned business has the right to refuse service to ANYONE.

 

 

Apparently you missed the segregation part of US history.

Um, segregation has nothing to do with this at all. Go read the business laws. A privately owned company can refuse service to anyone. They just cannot openly refuse service to all people of a paticular group. They must have a valid reason. Such as, refusing to let a bum in your place because he has no shoes/shirt/smells, etc.

 



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madkiller on 26 February 2009
nightsurge said:

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 

Spot on man. You beat me to it on that segregation issue. You nailed it perfectly.

 



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nightsurge on 26 February 2009

LOL, I just realized I used Impulse Blogging ToS. I really have never heard of Impulse gaming network, though... SSJ could you give me a link so I can find the ToS and post it on here?



Bitmap Frogs on 26 February 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:

By the way, I am still waiting on you to bring proof that you are given the right to state your sexual orientation within the context of an online service operated by a private corporation.

At this point you are just grasping at straws to keep grinding that axe of yours.

 

Still waiting, ssj12.





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JaggedSac on 26 February 2009

A couple points here.

SSJ, I wil use a quote here. ''No shirt, no shoes, no service.'' Those places are still arund.

SSJ, this could be a freedom of expression problem, if the customer did not have to agree to the TOS. Which is why they ask you that. They say, do you agree with our terms. You read said terms. If there are problems that you have, you do not agree to said terms. After you agre to the terms, it is a binding agreement for their service.

Lesbian is a sexual term. Do lesbians have sex with men? Nope. Thus it is displaying someone's sexual preference. The fact that not all lesbians have sex with women is irrelevant. Lesbianism describes a preference to at least not have sex with men.



The Ghost of RubangB on 26 February 2009

I think this requires another test. Can somebody with an XBox Live account change their profile to say "I have sworn off sex for life" or "I am a born again virgin" or something like that? Those comments are as sexual as "I am a lesbian" or "I have male human genitals, known as a penis."



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ssj12 on 26 February 2009
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

Case closed, MS haters defeated once again...

 

Actually this just shows that there discrimination in the TOS against freedom of expression. So like the last question in that article states. Is it still wrong? the answer is YES.

You get more and more wrong with every post you make. It has NOTHING to do with discrimination. There would only be discrimination if they were banned because of their orientation. This is NOT the case. They were banned for using words that are against the TOS, which has nothing to do with discrimination. If you can't see this then you need to not bother posting anymore about anything EVER.

 

I just wont keep arguing because you dont understand Freedom of Expression in the USA and that the TOS goes against first amendment rights.

 

 

Wow, this is your worst argument yet. No TOS violates any constitutional rights. Want to know why? Because those TOS agreements are for private services where the company has complete control over the content The company can choose to not allow anything they want to on their service. Don't like it? Don't use their service. It is just like how a store can refuse to sell to anyone they damn well please.

 

 

Actually a store in Tampa was just closed down for that.

Wrong, no store can be closed for that. You might want to read up on some of these laws that you obviously know nothing about. Every privately owned business has the right to refuse service to ANYONE.

 

 

Apparently you missed the segregation part of US history.

Um, segregation has nothing to do with this at all. Go read the business laws. A privately owned company can refuse service to anyone. They just cannot openly refuse service to all people of a paticular group. They must have a valid reason. Such as, refusing to let a bum in your place because he has no shoes/shirt/smells, etc.

 

 

Doesnt those two statements strongly go against eachother. Even if you refuse service to people of a certain group without voicing you opinions but get called out for the fact you dont let people of one ethnic group, religion, etc be served at a place that means that your violating laws because you do not have the right to just willingly ban anyone from being served. Like you said there has to be a reason like they smell bad, clothes are poorly kept, to young, etc. So the wording of the phrase "private company can refuse anyone" isnt completely correct as while they can refuse anyone at any given time if they keep refusing one natured group of people for reasons of questionable belief is presented against the company. This is pretty much what nightsurge just said though.

 

Still I guess my standards is a bit to high for society as nightsurge stated as I have a more balanced mind for not giving a damn about things like race, religion, sexual preference, etc. Maybe it is that I believe that everyone has the right to express their beliefs freely without being judged by the masses no matter where they express themselves is considered wrong by the society at large (there are still moral and legal rights that need to be held strong if actions occur after the stated beliefs but the human voice should not be silenced).

 



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TruckOSaurus on 26 February 2009
nightsurge said:

Ant, you are being ridiculous and irrational.  Don't join a conversation if you do not understand.

No gaming service, it appears, is up to SSJ's standards.  A compilation:

PSN Terms of Service:
http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

XFire Terms of Service:
http://www.xfire.com/terms_and_conditions/

You are solely responsible for all activities, acts and omissions that occur in, from, through or under your user name or password. You shall not use, allow, or enable others to use the Service, or knowingly condone use of this Service by others, in any manner that is, attempts to, or is likely to:

* be libelous, defamatory, indecent, vulgar or obscene, pornographic, sexually explicit or sexually suggestive, racially, culturally, or ethnically offensive, harmful, harassing, intimidating, threatening, hateful, objectionable, discriminatory, or abusive, or which may or may appear to impersonate anyone else;

Impulse Terms of Service:
http://www.impulsedriven.net/terms

You agree to not use the Service to:
(a) upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

...

(o) promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites;

Oh and SSJ12, segregation is completely different than denial of service.  If the store was simply ONLY denying service to a particular type or ethnicity, then yes it would be illegal, but they still have the right to refuse service to anyone without those confines.

 

 

I see a difference in Microsoft's ToS compared to all the others:

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members. This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities;

XBox Live - Of a sexual nature is a really vague term under which stating your sexuality is wrong because it can be interpreted as being of sexual nature.

PSN - sexually offensive With that term stating you're a lesbian doesn't violate the ToS because it's not offensive.

XFire - sexually explicit or sexually suggestive Same as above, lesbian is neither sexual explicit or suggestive.

Impulse - promote or advertise sexual or pornographic material or websites Here again lesbian doesn't cross the lines of the ToS because it's not sexual or pornographic material.

So what I'm saying is that under their ToS, Microsoft was in every right to ban the user but it seems they are the only ones pushing it this far.

 



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TruckOSaurus on 26 February 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I think this requires another test. Can somebody with an XBox Live account change their profile to say "I have sworn off sex for life" or "I am a born again virgin" or something like that? Those comments are as sexual as "I am a lesbian" or "I have male human genitals, known as a penis."

 

Even better would be : "My wife and I are trying to have a child" it suggest sex just as much as "I am a lesbian"



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