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Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

Anyways, what Microsoft is doing period is highly discriminatory. Most services provide a spot for preference allowing for straight, gay, lesbian, bi, bi-curious. An XBL profile is nothing different then a myspace, facebook, PSN, facethejury, etc profile making it so that if a person decides to post their preference, even if there is no field provided and they just do it in an "about me" section, it is perfectly a-ok to do so. If one is banned for publicly stating their preference there are some massive legal issues when you look at discrimination laws in the USA and many countries around the world. Microsoft is putting themselves in hole that they wont get out of if someone actually pushes this subject.

 

No it's not and you can skip the doom and gloom. It's happened several times already and Microsoft; if there was a case it'd be on the courts already. Because their ToS doesn't allow any kind of sexual reference, there's no discrimination involved from Microsoft. The discrimination comes from users, who are selective about what to report or not.

By the way, I'd like you to point me where it is written that you are allowed to state your sexual orientation (wether heterosexual or homosexual) within the context of online services.

Oh, Sony has a similar clause on their TOS. I wonder what would happen if a muslim living in Saudi Arabia reported a PSN profile making explicit the homosexual orientation of the user. It'd place Sony in a very difficult position. Either they deem it offensive or PSN could be declared illegal in a good chunk of the world.

MS TOS

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members.  This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.

SONY TOS

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

 

 

Actually if you read both of those you will notice some extreme differences. Microsoft's is way more harsh. Sony just doesnt want any comments or imagery that reveal or try to recruit people into one idea. Sony's doesnt ban the mentioning of preference while Microsoft's does.



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JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

 

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haxxiy said:
madkiller said:
haxxiy said:
madkiller said:
haxxiy said:
madkiller said:
 Just do a google search for lesbian and you will see that you won't find any lesbian non-sexual sites in the top million hits.

 

I actually did it and even on the top 10 you get lesbianlife.com (questions about lesbian lifestyle on general) lesbianation.com (entertainment, travel destinations etc.) and lesbian.org (resources, general information), besides the wikipedia link.

So you failed big time here.

I am not talking about sponsored hits. I am talking about the general hits, there is a big difference. The sponsored hits are when those websites pay Google to be at the top of the list. So you fail...

 

Yes, keep thinking there are a million sites acessed more than any of these I mentioned. Without any decent logic to back you up you keep failing.

 

LMAO, you think lesbian life sites are visited more than porn sites? That is the most hilarious thing I have ever heard.

 

Actually you said a million sites, something far more hilarious "oh but but it was a hyperbole" yes, of course since is what you want it to sound right now after failing twice. Stop the nonsensical porn paranoia.

I've nothing more to add. Just please do not insult people here with your piece of shitty logic. Keep your fail to you or anyone else disposed to hear it.

 

You don't think there are a million porn sites? You are right, there are a BILLION or more. Anyway, I have not insulted anyone in any of my posts, but you have now resorted to vulgar language and personal attacks, so I have reported your post and am done with you.

 



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madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

Case closed, MS haters defeated once again...

 

Actually this just shows that there discrimination in the TOS against freedom of expression. So like the last question in that article states. Is it still wrong? the answer is YES.

You get more and more wrong with every post you make. It has NOTHING to do with discrimination. There would only be discrimination if they were banned because of their orientation. This is NOT the case. They were banned for using words that are against the TOS, which has nothing to do with discrimination. If you can't see this then you need to not bother posting anymore about anything EVER.

 

I just wont keep arguing because you dont understand Freedom of Expression in the USA and that the TOS goes against first amendment rights.

 

 

Wow, this is your worst argument yet. No TOS violates any constitutional rights. Want to know why? Because those TOS agreements are for private services where the company has complete control over the content The company can choose to not allow anything they want to on their service. Don't like it? Don't use their service. It is just like how a store can refuse to sell to anyone they damn well please.

 

 

Actually a store in Tampa was just closed down for that.



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ssj12 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

Anyways, what Microsoft is doing period is highly discriminatory. Most services provide a spot for preference allowing for straight, gay, lesbian, bi, bi-curious. An XBL profile is nothing different then a myspace, facebook, PSN, facethejury, etc profile making it so that if a person decides to post their preference, even if there is no field provided and they just do it in an "about me" section, it is perfectly a-ok to do so. If one is banned for publicly stating their preference there are some massive legal issues when you look at discrimination laws in the USA and many countries around the world. Microsoft is putting themselves in hole that they wont get out of if someone actually pushes this subject.

 

No it's not and you can skip the doom and gloom. It's happened several times already and Microsoft; if there was a case it'd be on the courts already. Because their ToS doesn't allow any kind of sexual reference, there's no discrimination involved from Microsoft. The discrimination comes from users, who are selective about what to report or not.

By the way, I'd like you to point me where it is written that you are allowed to state your sexual orientation (wether heterosexual or homosexual) within the context of online services.

Oh, Sony has a similar clause on their TOS. I wonder what would happen if a muslim living in Saudi Arabia reported a PSN profile making explicit the homosexual orientation of the user. It'd place Sony in a very difficult position. Either they deem it offensive or PSN could be declared illegal in a good chunk of the world.

MS TOS

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members.  This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.

SONY TOS

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

 

 

Actually if you read both of those you will notice some extreme differences. Microsoft's is way more harsh. Sony just doesnt want any comments or imagery that reveal or try to recruit people into one idea. Sony's doesnt ban the mentioning of preference while Microsoft's does.

So now you are an authority on what Sony intended to say in their TOS?

 



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madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:
ssj12 said:

Anyways, what Microsoft is doing period is highly discriminatory. Most services provide a spot for preference allowing for straight, gay, lesbian, bi, bi-curious. An XBL profile is nothing different then a myspace, facebook, PSN, facethejury, etc profile making it so that if a person decides to post their preference, even if there is no field provided and they just do it in an "about me" section, it is perfectly a-ok to do so. If one is banned for publicly stating their preference there are some massive legal issues when you look at discrimination laws in the USA and many countries around the world. Microsoft is putting themselves in hole that they wont get out of if someone actually pushes this subject.

 

No it's not and you can skip the doom and gloom. It's happened several times already and Microsoft; if there was a case it'd be on the courts already. Because their ToS doesn't allow any kind of sexual reference, there's no discrimination involved from Microsoft. The discrimination comes from users, who are selective about what to report or not.

By the way, I'd like you to point me where it is written that you are allowed to state your sexual orientation (wether heterosexual or homosexual) within the context of online services.

Oh, Sony has a similar clause on their TOS. I wonder what would happen if a muslim living in Saudi Arabia reported a PSN profile making explicit the homosexual orientation of the user. It'd place Sony in a very difficult position. Either they deem it offensive or PSN could be declared illegal in a good chunk of the world.

MS TOS

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members.  This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.

SONY TOS

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

 

 

Actually if you read both of those you will notice some extreme differences. Microsoft's is way more harsh. Sony just doesnt want any comments or imagery that reveal or try to recruit people into one idea. Sony's doesnt ban the mentioning of preference while Microsoft's does.

So now you are an authority on what Sony intended to say in their TOS?

 

 

No, I took a few law classes though. Business Law in general goes over how to write a service agreement.



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ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

Case closed, MS haters defeated once again...

 

Actually this just shows that there discrimination in the TOS against freedom of expression. So like the last question in that article states. Is it still wrong? the answer is YES.

You get more and more wrong with every post you make. It has NOTHING to do with discrimination. There would only be discrimination if they were banned because of their orientation. This is NOT the case. They were banned for using words that are against the TOS, which has nothing to do with discrimination. If you can't see this then you need to not bother posting anymore about anything EVER.

 

I just wont keep arguing because you dont understand Freedom of Expression in the USA and that the TOS goes against first amendment rights.

 

 

Wow, this is your worst argument yet. No TOS violates any constitutional rights. Want to know why? Because those TOS agreements are for private services where the company has complete control over the content The company can choose to not allow anything they want to on their service. Don't like it? Don't use their service. It is just like how a store can refuse to sell to anyone they damn well please.

 

 

Actually a store in Tampa was just closed down for that.

Wrong, no store can be closed for that. You might want to read up on some of these laws that you obviously know nothing about. Every privately owned business has the right to refuse service to ANYONE.

 



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ssj12 said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

No it's not and you can skip the doom and gloom. It's happened several times already and Microsoft; if there was a case it'd be on the courts already. Because their ToS doesn't allow any kind of sexual reference, there's no discrimination involved from Microsoft. The discrimination comes from users, who are selective about what to report or not.

By the way, I'd like you to point me where it is written that you are allowed to state your sexual orientation (wether heterosexual or homosexual) within the context of online services.

Oh, Sony has a similar clause on their TOS. I wonder what would happen if a muslim living in Saudi Arabia reported a PSN profile making explicit the homosexual orientation of the user. It'd place Sony in a very difficult position. Either they deem it offensive or PSN could be declared illegal in a good chunk of the world.

MS TOS

Create a Gamertag , avatar or use text in other profile fields that may offend other members.  This includes comments that look, sound like, stand for, hint at, abbreviate, or insinuate or relate to any of the following: profane words/phrases, topics or content of a sexual nature, hate speech (including but not limited to racial, ethnic, or religious slurs), illegal drugs/controlled substances, or illegal activities.

SONY TOS

You may not take any action, or upload, post, stream, or otherwise transmit any content, language, images or sounds in any forum, communication, public profile, or other publicly viewable areas or in the creation of any Online ID that SCEA, in its sole discretion, finds offensive, hateful, or vulgar.  This includes but is not limited to, any content or communication that SCEA in its sole discretion deems racially, ethnically, religiously, or sexually offensive, libelous, defaming, threatening, bullying or stalking.

 

 

Actually if you read both of those you will notice some extreme differences. Microsoft's is way more harsh. Sony just doesnt want any comments or imagery that reveal or try to recruit people into one idea. Sony's doesnt ban the mentioning of preference while Microsoft's does.

 

Which means Microsoft doesn't discriminate anyone (as the post I just quoted says, they banned someone for writing "heterosexual" in their profile) so there's no liability.

Meanwhile, SCEA TOS states SCEA decides what is offensive and what not, which means in case something like this would happen they are either homophobes (for considerating lesbianism offensive) or lose a chunk of customers around the world and get banned in several countries.

By the way, I am still waiting on you to bring proof that you are given the right to state your sexual orientation within the context of an online service operated by a private corporation.

At this point you are just grasping at straws to keep grinding that axe of yours.





Current-gen game collection uploaded on the profile, full of win and good games; also most of my PC games. Lucasfilm Games/LucasArts 1982-2008 (Requiescat In Pace).

Looks like Microsoft is being even-handed, then.

Good on them, I suppose.



madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
ssj12 said:
madkiller said:
JaggedSac said:

http://www.rpgsite.net/news/305.html

Xbox Live Bans Straights as well as Gays

Posted on February 26, 2009 by Alex Donaldson

A story surfaced yesterday about how a Lesbian Xbox 360 Gamer got banned from Xbox Live for listing herself as being Lesbian in her profile.

As always with controversial issues, fans jumped in and issues got heated as people debated if Microsoft and the Xbox Live service were discriminating against homosexuals.

Thank god for the industrious people of NeoGAF, who decided to put the whole issue to the test. One member added a simple statement to the end of his Xbox Live Bio - simply stating "Heterosexual." The people of the forum then reported him.

Several hours later he recieved notification of a 24 hour ban from Xbox Live and the removal of the 'inappropriate content' from his profile.

Check out the original post and discussion thread over on NeoGAF.

So there you have it - Xbox Live bans gays and straights. That rules out discrimination - but is it still wrong? We'll leave that one up to you.

****************************************************************

Just as I thought.

Case closed, MS haters defeated once again...

 

Actually this just shows that there discrimination in the TOS against freedom of expression. So like the last question in that article states. Is it still wrong? the answer is YES.

You get more and more wrong with every post you make. It has NOTHING to do with discrimination. There would only be discrimination if they were banned because of their orientation. This is NOT the case. They were banned for using words that are against the TOS, which has nothing to do with discrimination. If you can't see this then you need to not bother posting anymore about anything EVER.

 

I just wont keep arguing because you dont understand Freedom of Expression in the USA and that the TOS goes against first amendment rights.

 

 

Wow, this is your worst argument yet. No TOS violates any constitutional rights. Want to know why? Because those TOS agreements are for private services where the company has complete control over the content The company can choose to not allow anything they want to on their service. Don't like it? Don't use their service. It is just like how a store can refuse to sell to anyone they damn well please.

 

 

Actually a store in Tampa was just closed down for that.

Wrong, no store can be closed for that. You might want to read up on some of these laws that you obviously know nothing about. Every privately owned business has the right to refuse service to ANYONE.

 

 

Apparently you missed the segregation part of US history.



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