sorry if some of my questions don't make sense (MGS2, in my opinion, has the saddest story of all)

I finally understand some of the story and god even though it's complicated as hell, I think metal gear solid is the 1st series/franchise to make me cry because of the story. But I'm still confused like hell...

-What did MGS3 have to do with the "MGS" storyline at all?

-I'm still confused on who Liquid snake, Naomi Hunter, and Raiden are

-Snake was in all of that pain because of FOXDIE and that's the reason why he attempted to kill himself. But I also thought he had these type of genes that made him age fast. Was he dying because of his age/genes or FOXDIE?

-Why was snake against the patriots again? (don't remember)

Trust me, there's more but I don't feel like pasting them

THE EVENTS MADE ME CRY MY BALLS OFF!!! (olga's story and her death in MGS2 for example)

chances are I'm wrong
but MGS3 told the story of the origins of Big Boss, the guy who "created" the Snakes Liquid and Solid that we know today O.o

Raiden was a mistake :D joking aside I think he was created as a replacement or an attempt to emulate Solid Snake. In MGS2 the cornel (can never spell that word) reveals that the whole Big Rig mission was constructed because it most reflected the evens of MGS 1 one that made Solid Snake really famous and they sent Raiden there to test him out.

wait wait wait wait liquid is solid's brother? I thought big boss was his brother (The other dude, who looks just like him, who kicked snakes ass in MGS4 on top of that ship or something)

I've been mixing up these characters

wait wait wait wait liquid is solid's brother? I thought big boss was his brother (The other dude, who looks just like him, who kicked snakes ass in MGS4 on top of that ship or something)

I've been mixing up these characters

and when you say created, do you mean genetically or GOT IT ON with big mama XD? lol

EDIT: weird, double post

Uhhh, Liquid took over Ocelot's body during the beginning of the second game, and that was him who fought Snake on top of the Ship in MGS4....

Holy crap man, you really missed out on the complete story it seems. :P Although I must say I'm a bit confused about some characters and some details as well.....

big boss aka naked snake from msg3 is the father of liquid and solid snake. Both of them specifically "created" to die sooner, but one good & one evil. Solidus was the true replica of big boss... better features of Solid & Liquid.

1. MGS3 is the story of the people that would become the original Patriots(Major Zero, Naked Snake, Ocelot, Eva(Big Mama)). Naked Snake, your character in MGS3 goes on to become Big Boss, who is the old man talking to Snake in the graveyard in the end of MGS4. Major Zero is the old guy dying in the wheelchair.

2. Liquid Snake is a genetic clone of Big Boss(Naked Snake from MGS3), and is technically Snake's brother. He is identical in looks to Solid Snake but Solid Snake dyed his hair brown and cut his hair shorter right before the original MGS and that's why they don't look exactly the same. Somewhere in between MGS and MGS2, Ocelot grafts Liquid's hand to his own arm, which you'll recall the Cyborg Ninja from MGS cut off Ocelot's hand, and Liquid's hand somehow takes control of Ocelot's entire body through his nanomachines. A nice rule of thumb is that most of the weirdest shit in MGS is explained through nanomachines kinda like how everything in religious terms is explained away as God is omnipotent.

Raiden was genetically created to be a super soldier. They ran a test run of the original Shadow Moses incident(MGS) in the Big Shell in MGS2 to test his abilities. Don't worry about not getting it becuase MGS2 is a big clusterfuck of a story and really unnecessarily complicated things the same way the second Matrix movie complicated the series far more than it had to.

Naomi Hunter created the Fox Die disease and did a lot of work with nanomachines overall. She is in the original MGS as Codec support and is in MGS4 as some double agent bitch always switching sides for some weird reason. I still don't think they explain why she seemed to be wrapped up on Vamp like a whore before you and Raiden take care of him. She ended up dying from her cancer after she injected herself with nanomachine negating superjuice which made her cancer instantly turn on her and kill her, just like cancer always does.

3. I thought the Fox Die was what caused him to age. You might be right though. Or maybe we're both right and it's just another loose end in the story. Hopefully someone else can answer that.

4. Snake's not against anybody in any of the games other than Liquid. Snake is a pawn throughout the three games he's involved in from beginning to end. He is merely a soldier that gets pushed around constantly and overall he's too stupid to question authority even though he's always being lied to.

I believe I remember Naomi talking about this subject when Snake meets her at the mansion (or whatever it was). When they created all the clone Snakes, they f****ed up their genes in a way to make them grow old very fast, because they didn't want the Snakes running around for too long. By shortening their lifespans, they wouldn't live long enough to ever pose a real threat if they went rogue.

At least, that's what I remember from the conversation...

You're right. I remember that part.

Ok so then why put Fox Die in him then? Isn't that also to keep him from staying around too long? It seems like a redundancy which to me means a story that wasn't well thought out.

I don't know, even after playing the games and watching them numerous times on Youtube, I'm still extremely confused about certain things, Fox Die being the main one. In the first game it was used to secretely infect and kill the others around him (who were succeptable to it) right? Beyond that, I have no idea what it's true purpose was. It seemed like the purpose of it switched every goddamn 5 minutes. :P

I'd really love to read a well organized text explaining the entire MGS story with all the characters and details of events and technologies.