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im_sneaky on 19 February 2009
non-gravity said:
im_sneaky said:
I want to see how the EU turns out. Will they continue to meld together, to form an economic superpower? Or will they remain simply a collection of countries? Europe's day, the times of English, French, Spanish, Dutch, imperial powers is gone. Their populations aren't increasing fast enough, and they can't keep up with the US and China.

 

 The world has no need for increasing populations. The US is not in particular great shape at the moment. And China is not even close to the Almighty United States of Europe

 

There's only so much money you can have if your pop is 60m. If that stays relatively the same, you can count on slow growth from increasing efficiency. But when China is quickly catching up [though still oh so far away] in efficiency, and the USA is growing quickly due to immigration, West Europe is falling behind.



 

 

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SamuelRSmith on 19 February 2009
im_sneaky said:
non-gravity said:
im_sneaky said:
I want to see how the EU turns out. Will they continue to meld together, to form an economic superpower? Or will they remain simply a collection of countries? Europe's day, the times of English, French, Spanish, Dutch, imperial powers is gone. Their populations aren't increasing fast enough, and they can't keep up with the US and China.

 

 The world has no need for increasing populations. The US is not in particular great shape at the moment. And China is not even close to the Almighty United States of Europe

 

There's only so much money you can have if your pop is 60m. If that stays relatively the same, you can count on slow growth from increasing efficiency. But when China is quickly catching up [though still oh so far away] in efficiency, and the USA is growing quickly due to immigration, West Europe is falling behind.

 

The EU's population is nearly 200 million greater than the US's. Although Western nations may only see slow growth from now on, the Eastern nations will see absolutely massive growth - as they have been since they joined the EU.

Also, when Turkey does eventually become a full member of the EU, that's a whole load of people and resources being mixed into the EU economy.



fmc83 on 19 February 2009
im_sneaky said:
non-gravity said:
im_sneaky said:
I want to see how the EU turns out. Will they continue to meld together, to form an economic superpower? Or will they remain simply a collection of countries? Europe's day, the times of English, French, Spanish, Dutch, imperial powers is gone. Their populations aren't increasing fast enough, and they can't keep up with the US and China.

 

 The world has no need for increasing populations. The US is not in particular great shape at the moment. And China is not even close to the Almighty United States of Europe

 

There's only so much money you can have if your pop is 60m. If that stays relatively the same, you can count on slow growth from increasing efficiency. But when China is quickly catching up [though still oh so far away] in efficiency, and the USA is growing quickly due to immigration, West Europe is falling behind.

As far as this goes for Germany: you could make it to the number 3 industrial nation and leading export-nation (in value 2007, and 2008) with just over 80 million inhabitants. It's just a question how highly skilled/educated your people are. This increase in population didn't help the US in the last years.

 

Btt.:

The money is welcome, but that's it for Klaus. Same with Ireland. It was nearly a third world country before it joined the EU, lower taxes, possible because of EU-money made the growth work. But people won't get it. And therefore populists like Klaus will win elections. And therefore the EU won't get the power it deserves.



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mrstickball on 19 February 2009

Good for the EU president. Creating something as large as the EU, with as much power as it could, or can, wield is a task that can, and must be maligned and scrutinized until the proper system can form, lest the Europeans elect a system that is less than what they deserve.

Government should always be questioned. That's why I love the United States. We can take up arms at any time against our government if we so choose.



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fmc83 on 19 February 2009
mrstickball said:
That's why I love the United States. We can take up arms at any time against our government if we so choose.

 

Yes, you can in Europe, too. The result will be the same...... You would be disarmed/ killed by the army/ police/ whatever.



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SamuelRSmith on 19 February 2009
mrstickball said:
Government should always be questioned. That's why I love the United States. We can take up arms at any time against our government if we so choose.

 

 As can any Liberal Democracy. That's not the kind of thing that needs to be written in a constitution.



ssj12 on 19 February 2009
Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
bdbdbd said:
Yes. And even more if (when) the Lisbon treaty gets approval.

@Samuel: Economic suicide most likely. Due to protectionism it's hard fo Czech to compete with countries inside EU. And, leaving EU isn't easy by any means.

 

but isnt protectionism like tariffs and import taxs looked down upon int the EU makng it so that it should be an even playing field for all countries involved to ship and sale products from their country to the others? That should be a good think for the EU economy. Also the EU trying to allow for companies in the countries to branch out and expand into other regions which would be good for nations with smaller companies of similar nations as it could lead to a merger and more people getting hired as infrastructure is created.

That's what i thought too... however when the USA talked of tarrifs people complained that the EU didn't give those countries unfair advantages when trading with each other vs America and other countries.

 

here is the issue with this, there is a similar trade agreement between the US, Canada, and Mexico as there is in the EU.

 



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Rath on 19 February 2009
mrstickball said:
Good for the EU president. Creating something as large as the EU, with as much power as it could, or can, wield is a task that can, and must be maligned and scrutinized until the proper system can form, lest the Europeans elect a system that is less than what they deserve.

Government should always be questioned. That's why I love the United States. We can take up arms at any time against our government if we so choose.

 

Actually you can't. The Confederates tried that.

In any case, the best way to sort out political troubles isn't armed struggle.



Kasz216 on 19 February 2009
ssj12 said:
Kasz216 said:
ssj12 said:
bdbdbd said:
Yes. And even more if (when) the Lisbon treaty gets approval.

@Samuel: Economic suicide most likely. Due to protectionism it's hard fo Czech to compete with countries inside EU. And, leaving EU isn't easy by any means.

 

but isnt protectionism like tariffs and import taxs looked down upon int the EU makng it so that it should be an even playing field for all countries involved to ship and sale products from their country to the others? That should be a good think for the EU economy. Also the EU trying to allow for companies in the countries to branch out and expand into other regions which would be good for nations with smaller companies of similar nations as it could lead to a merger and more people getting hired as infrastructure is created.

That's what i thought too... however when the USA talked of tarrifs people complained that the EU didn't give those countries unfair advantages when trading with each other vs America and other countries.

 

here is the issue with this, there is a similar trade agreement between the US, Canada, and Mexico as there is in the EU.

I suppose it's like Healthcare.  It's impossible to discriminate against fat people, yet considered a bonus to give advantages to those who live healthy.

Ignoring the fact that giving a bonus to those who live healthy is just a round about way of discriminating vs the fat.

 



TheTruthProphet on 19 February 2009

Actually the USA makes up 25% of the global economy alone. Nobody else come close in size or scope. Asian manufacturers and Europeans need the Ameican consumer to buy their goods and keep their economies going.