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ClaudeLv250 on 15 February 2009
Roma said:
ClaudeLv250 said:

This is a list of new Nintendo franchises released or announced since 2001:

Golden Sun, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Legend of Stafy, Rhythm Heaven, Drill Dozer, Artstyle series, PictoChat, Band Brothers, Nintendogs, Trace Memory (Another Code), Elite Beat Agents (Ouendan), Elektroplankton, Brain Age, Hotel Dusk, Mystery Case Files, Chibi-Robo, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles*, Giest, Odama, Wii series (Sports/Music/Fit), Big Brain Academy, Captain Rainbow, Project HAMMER (canned?), Endless Ocean, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Soma Bringer, Kensax, Spawn Smasher, Line Attack Heroes, Dynamic Slash, Maboshi, Cosmic Walker, Girl's Mode,Master of Illusion

* = Co-owned in some shape for form

And that's actually trimmed down...I left out some of the obscure Japan-only IPs. But I'm not done yet!

List of Nintendo franchises REVIVED or localized for the first time outside of Japan since 2001:

Doshin the Giant, Mother (3), Metroid, Custom Robo, Kid Icarus, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Punch-out, Sin & Punishment, Excite (Truck), New Super Mario Bros. and probably more I'm forgetting.

EDIT: Added some more to the lists above and made the third list below...

List of new games/franchises/series spawned from existing IPs since 2001:

Metroid Prime (& Hunters/Pinball), Mario & Luigi RPG series, Warioware, Wario World, Batallion Wars, Zelda: Four Swords, Donky Konga, Mario Baseball, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby Air Ride, Super Princess Peach, Mario Hoops, Tingle's Rosy Rupee Land, Mario Strikers, Pokemon XD

 

I didn’t know PictoChat was a game… lol Allot of the games you mentioned are not in-house and some of them are third-party :P. I know they are creating new games but they are casual games. The last hardcore game they created was Pikmin. And creating spinoffs like Zelda FS and Mario RPG will not be taken as new IP’s people will just say it is another Mario or Zelda game. @Zucas hahaha yeah that is so funny read the OP again. They do create new IP’s but mostly casual lol

PictoChat is a IP with a purpose, inhouse doesn't change that it's a Nintendo IP, third parties are already noted, "casual" dismissal doesn't make sense because you're ignoring Giest, Disaster, etc. Spinoffs are noted seperately and can't be written off by people that actually know what they're talking. I can keep going.

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.jayderyu on 15 February 2009

Most companies don't reinvent their IP into other genre because most of their characters are flat. Master Chief maybe awesome, Drake sure he's sorta cool. Seriously though do you see either of these characters jumping into a game of Tennis? how how about car racing? Master Chief doesn't quit have the same type of design that say Captain Flacon has(bounty hunter and racer).

Sony has Sackboy, which I think could lend himself to a varity of games and cameos. Maybe Drake stumbles upon a cache of Sackboy dolls while strolling through town.

Crash and Rayman are other variety characters, but they clearly are not system exclusive.



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Roma on 15 February 2009
ClaudeLv250 said:
Roma said:
ClaudeLv250 said:

This is a list of new Nintendo franchises released or announced since 2001:

Golden Sun, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Legend of Stafy, Rhythm Heaven, Drill Dozer, Artstyle series, PictoChat, Band Brothers, Nintendogs, Trace Memory (Another Code), Elite Beat Agents (Ouendan), Elektroplankton, Brain Age, Hotel Dusk, Mystery Case Files, Chibi-Robo, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles*, Giest, Odama, Wii series (Sports/Music/Fit), Big Brain Academy, Captain Rainbow, Project HAMMER (canned?), Endless Ocean, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Soma Bringer, Kensax, Spawn Smasher, Line Attack Heroes, Dynamic Slash, Maboshi, Cosmic Walker, Girl's Mode,Master of Illusion

* = Co-owned in some shape for form

And that's actually trimmed down...I left out some of the obscure Japan-only IPs. But I'm not done yet!

List of Nintendo franchises REVIVED or localized for the first time outside of Japan since 2001:

Doshin the Giant, Mother (3), Metroid, Custom Robo, Kid Icarus, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Punch-out, Sin & Punishment, Excite (Truck), New Super Mario Bros. and probably more I'm forgetting.

EDIT: Added some more to the lists above and made the third list below...

List of new games/franchises/series spawned from existing IPs since 2001:

Metroid Prime (& Hunters/Pinball), Mario & Luigi RPG series, Warioware, Wario World, Batallion Wars, Zelda: Four Swords, Donky Konga, Mario Baseball, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby Air Ride, Super Princess Peach, Mario Hoops, Tingle's Rosy Rupee Land, Mario Strikers, Pokemon XD

 

I didn’t know PictoChat was a game… lol Allot of the games you mentioned are not in-house and some of them are third-party :P. I know they are creating new games but they are casual games. The last hardcore game they created was Pikmin. And creating spinoffs like Zelda FS and Mario RPG will not be taken as new IP’s people will just say it is another Mario or Zelda game. @Zucas hahaha yeah that is so funny read the OP again. They do create new IP’s but mostly casual lol

PictoChat is a IP with a purpose, inhouse doesn't change that it's a Nintendo IP, third parties are already noted, "casual" dismissal doesn't make sense because you're ignoring Giest, Disaster, etc. Spinoffs are noted seperately and can't be written off by people that actually know what they're talking. I can keep going.

The problem with goalpost arguments is that I can always taken them down with a hacksaw.


The whole argument is about Nintendo hardcore games and I am talking about games they create in-house otherwise I wouldn’t have made a thread like this cuz I know about the games you mentioned.

    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Gnizmo on 15 February 2009
coolestguyever said:
So they don't make new ones because they don't need them? So they don't care enough about their fans to make new ones.

Sony frequently has great new IP's on thier console. Resistance, Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, Valkyrie Chronicles all fron this gen alone.

 de Blob, Boom Blox, Zack & Wiki, No More Heroes, and Red Steel are all fresh new IPs for Nintendo consoles. This isn't really relevant as Nintendo doesn't own those IPs, like some (most? I don't know who owns the rights to LBP and Resistance but it is made by non-Sony companies) of the games you listed there.

 @OP
I am with Claude on this one. They have made a ton of new IPs in recent years. They just manage to keep the old ones alive by not milking them into the ground by churning out annual sequels.

 

The last hardcore game they created was Pikmin.

 Hi, I am Disaster: Day of Crisis. I was released for the first time on the Wii last year. I am glad we have met! Please meet my friends Captain Rainbow, Trace Memory, Hotel Dusk, Chibi Robo, and Soma Bringer. We are all new and hardcore IP created after Pikmin. I hope we can all be friends and play together.



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ClaudeLv250 on 15 February 2009
Roma said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
Roma said:
ClaudeLv250 said:

This is a list of new Nintendo franchises released or announced since 2001:

Golden Sun, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Legend of Stafy, Rhythm Heaven, Drill Dozer, Artstyle series, PictoChat, Band Brothers, Nintendogs, Trace Memory (Another Code), Elite Beat Agents (Ouendan), Elektroplankton, Brain Age, Hotel Dusk, Mystery Case Files, Chibi-Robo, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness*, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles*, Giest, Odama, Wii series (Sports/Music/Fit), Big Brain Academy, Captain Rainbow, Project HAMMER (canned?), Endless Ocean, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Soma Bringer, Kensax, Spawn Smasher, Line Attack Heroes, Dynamic Slash, Maboshi, Cosmic Walker, Girl's Mode,Master of Illusion

* = Co-owned in some shape for form

And that's actually trimmed down...I left out some of the obscure Japan-only IPs. But I'm not done yet!

List of Nintendo franchises REVIVED or localized for the first time outside of Japan since 2001:

Doshin the Giant, Mother (3), Metroid, Custom Robo, Kid Icarus, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Punch-out, Sin & Punishment, Excite (Truck), New Super Mario Bros. and probably more I'm forgetting.

EDIT: Added some more to the lists above and made the third list below...

List of new games/franchises/series spawned from existing IPs since 2001:

Metroid Prime (& Hunters/Pinball), Mario & Luigi RPG series, Warioware, Wario World, Batallion Wars, Zelda: Four Swords, Donky Konga, Mario Baseball, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Kirby Air Ride, Super Princess Peach, Mario Hoops, Tingle's Rosy Rupee Land, Mario Strikers, Pokemon XD

 

I didn’t know PictoChat was a game… lol Allot of the games you mentioned are not in-house and some of them are third-party :P. I know they are creating new games but they are casual games. The last hardcore game they created was Pikmin. And creating spinoffs like Zelda FS and Mario RPG will not be taken as new IP’s people will just say it is another Mario or Zelda game. @Zucas hahaha yeah that is so funny read the OP again. They do create new IP’s but mostly casual lol

PictoChat is a IP with a purpose, inhouse doesn't change that it's a Nintendo IP, third parties are already noted, "casual" dismissal doesn't make sense because you're ignoring Giest, Disaster, etc. Spinoffs are noted seperately and can't be written off by people that actually know what they're talking. I can keep going.

The problem with goalpost arguments is that I can always taken them down with a hacksaw.

 

The whole argument is about Nintendo hardcore games and I am talking about games they create in-house otherwise I wouldn’t have made a thread like this cuz I know about the games you mentioned.

But you don't even know which games on that list are "hardcore," you said that Pikmin was the last one but that's not true at all. Why make an argument based entirely around buzzwords if you're not going to follow their (current) definition?

Which games on that list aren't inhouse and why does it matter so much? I want to know each one so I can hack down those goalposts too.

 

 



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Naum on 15 February 2009

They don't need to, they have as many IP's as the top ten developers has put together.



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