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halogamer1989 said:
TacoBoy49 said:
Blu-ray is the last thing people think of in a recession going on a depression. Dvd upscale is good enough for 99.9 of people

The best comment for the current situation, indeed.

I think more people know about Blu-Ray than could actualy understand what DVD upscale was supposed to mean.

 



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Case: Id's "Rage". John Carmack already said that their greatest trouble with the 360 version is the storage medium. They will have to go with lesser res megatextures in the 360 version to fit the game in 2 DVDs... and only the licensing costs are keeping them from using the 3 DVDs they need to match the PS3 and PC versions.

 

I beleive that was revealed to be a BS mis-quote a loooong time ago.



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Xbox 360 is a video game machine first and media player second. Why would they need to add a movie player?



Tyrannical said:

Case: Id's "Rage". John Carmack already said that their greatest trouble with the 360 version is the storage medium. They will have to go with lesser res megatextures in the 360 version to fit the game in 2 DVDs... and only the licensing costs are keeping them from using the 3 DVDs they need to match the PS3 and PC versions.

 

I beleive that was revealed to be a BS mis-quote a loooong time ago.

 

No BS, comes from his own lips in this video (about the 2'50" mark if you're really impatient) .



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outlawauron said:
thetonestarr said:
outlawauron said:
ryu1976 said:
no crow, just dlc :)

BR is the new betamax

Not really. If big movie releases like Iron Man sell more BluRays than the DVDs, I'd say that's a pretty big accomplishment.

 

Man, you're misinformed. Blu-ray sales only total about 20% of all home media formats.

Since there are only two home media formats in use, we know that other 80% is DVD.

 

Yes, it beat DVD in some retailers, but that doesn't mean it sold more than DVD period.

As of last week, the BR version had 60% marketshare of sales. And being we do not have any other indicator, it's the best we have to go by.

I'm not trying to say the BR has already replaced DVD, but it's most definetely not the betamax.

List a source. Every source I'm seeing says 20%.

 



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kowenicki said:

nope.. that would be stupid... it isnt required.

 

oh and sony?  royalties?  what are you on about?  they are just one of many many compnaies (including microsoft) that would pick up royalties from blu ray sales...

MS made (like other participants) its video format semi-open, the format has been released by MS and is open (and like in HD-DVD it's just one of the three main formats, with MPEG-2 and MPEG-4, and not the most used, except for downloads from MS services), while its most used encoder is MS property, contents producers pay it exclusive royalties only if they use MS format and license its encoder (although MS will get its little share from BD forfait royalties on HW and SW anyway). But with BD victory MS loses twice: once because MS weight in HD-DVD consortium was much heavier, and again because interactive contents in BD uses a Java variant, while that in HD-DVD used a MS derived system whose only implementation before the format demise was a MS proprietary system using a Win CE variant, so each HW device paid MS a license for it (this is an even heavier hit to MS power than to its finances, as a HD-DVD victory would have strengthened Win CE in the embedded market in a period like this when its position, despite growing as absolte numbers, due to markets growth, is weakening as total share as in the mobile market Win Mobile is losing ground against not only Symbian and Linux like up until a few years ago, but now also against Apple, Android and a reborn Blackberry, while we can't say anithing yet about attempts to revive PalmOS, but should they succeed it would be again another Win Mob competitor).



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Pharaoh said:
halogamer1989 said:
TacoBoy49 said:
Blu-ray is the last thing people think of in a recession going on a depression. Dvd upscale is good enough for 99.9 of people

The best comment for the current situation, indeed.

 

not really, entertainment is paramount for an escape from an individual's struggles. You need the best, not just good enough. For only 75-100 dollars more you get a blu-ray player.

So why isn't the high-end LCD business booming since the recession started, but instead prices and sales are dropping?

Entertainment is more recession proof than some other industries, but that doesn't mean people buy the latest and greatest. Affordability is a very important concern.

 



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kowenicki said:
Pristine20 said:
kowenicki said:

nope.. that would be stupid... it isnt required.

 

oh and sony?  royalties?  what are you on about?  they are just one of many many compnaies (including microsoft) that would pick up royalties from blu ray sales...

 

 M$ isn't part of the blu-ray association. stop pulling stuff from thin air

I didnt say it was... but all Blu-Ray players use MS codecs and I presume they have to pay a license for that........? No?

 

From BD read-only HW MS receives only its share from forfait royalties payed to BD consortium. From discs MS receives exclusive royalties from contents producers if they use MS proprietary encoder to encode contents in VC-1 format. Obviously MS receives royalties for its encoder also if it's used, by HW or SW, in domestic BD writers. VC-1 specifications have been made open by MS, so exclusive royalties are due only if MS proprietary encoder is used (obviously MS is licensing it at reasonable fees, and curing its quality, otherwise nobody would use it).



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Well then MS and Sony might as well both 'eat crow' and release some Wiimote clones already.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
outlawauron said:
ryu1976 said:
no crow, just dlc :)

BR is the new betamax

Not really. If big movie releases like Iron Man sell more BluRays than the DVDs, I'd say that's a pretty big accomplishment.

 

BR is secondary, just like HD-DVD was. Sony raped their 3rd system by whoring it to drop price for the non-gaming audience. There is no reason for other videogame systems to go BR. Microsoft didn't see a need to help out HD-DVD (hence why it died out) and neither will they for BR. They are looking at things that matter that will actually draw large crowds. Unlike Blu Ray....downloads are the future. The next big screen style will be hologram. I saw it on CNN during the Nov 4th results of the US presidential elections. Will-I-am from the Black Eyed Peas was talking to Wolf Blitzer via Hologram live. It was great.

 

 

 Wasn't this fake?



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