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allaboutthegames885 on 16 February 2009

I believe in several multiverses, but I also believe in multiverses within multiverses, and that there is no smallest multiverse contained within another and no largest multiverse containing all others... Do you follow?



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Final-Fan on 16 February 2009
Slimebeast said:
Final-Fan said:
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I think that one of slimebeast's problems is that physics in the area being discussed sounds so weird to most laymen. I mean, a lot of that stuff TOTALLY flies in the face of 'common sense'.

Seriously, I can't know the precise momentum of something I know the exact location of? WTF is that? So slimebeast finds these explanations repellent because they are strange to him. I can see this in his arguments that basically boil down to "it sounds crazy so it can't be true".

I'm afraid, slimebeast, that they can.
lol, don't assume so much.

The problem isn't understanding.

The problem is that a multiverse theory is less reasonable to believe in than in a God.

People want to believe in it (and similar theories, despite not having a scientific basis - but hey, at least it's not a God), but they actually dont. I don't think anyone actually believes that there exists an insane amount of parallel universes with near carbon copies of each person on earth running around and living the same life.
I may be wrong, after all I'm speculating as to your mental processes, but you've apparently misinterpreted what I said. 

I never said you don't understand the proposals.  I said you find them very strange and reject them based on how bizarre they seem.  "And multiverse is a ridiculous explanation, it's just laughable that there would be 1000's of Slimebeasts out there living a near perfect copy of my life."

The multiverse theory/hypothesis (I'm not fully up to date on this stuff) is not strongly proven, but it does have support in that it's consistent AFAIK with the observed universe and the relevant mathematics.  So it does not take "faith" to believe it might be true. 

Just because people believe something strange, you seem to presume that it's just as scientifically unfounded as God.  That is not always the case, and it is not the case here.  Get over yourself.
(1)You should update yourself then.

(2)"it's consistent AFAIK with the observed universe and the relevant mathematics" lol, of course it is, else it would have been discarded`, right? But "consistent" with observable data proves nothing. You need data that supports the multiverse theory, or else it takes blind faith to believe it might true, yes. That's the situation with multiverse, it takes blind faith to believe in and yes, it's just as scientifically unfounded as God or the theories that we're all just part of a simulation. Pretty typical though that you like many others have been tricked to believe otherwise.

Bottom line:

(3)A lot of people, atheists, think the God concept is weird, it's just irrational. On the same basis of evidence and  arguments I think multiverse is weird and irrational, and very laughable.
1.  Was that some type of shot at me?  I think it's hilarious that you would say something about my lack of knowledge. 

2.  "You need data that supports the multiverse theory, or else it takes blind faith to believe it might true, yes."  Wrong!  The key word here is "might".  If someone believes that it's definitely true without more supporting evidence than the possibility that it's true, then yes faith is involved.  But it takes no faith to believe that it might be true.  (It would only if the idea is contradicted by evidence, as is the case for some beliefs.) 

3.  As akuma said, atheists who reject God based only on how strange the concept is to them are just as misguided as you -- but that only means you have company in being wrong. 
Nice spin.

You said "Just because people believe something strange, you seem to presume that it's just as scientifically unfounded as God.  That is not always the case, and it is not the case here.  Get over yourself."

And you didn't withdraw that in your reply. You only addressed the word "might" (rightly so though).

So it seems you still have to update yourself (or stop with the spins ) even if you believe you are so knowledgable.

In this case the "people believing something strange" believe that the multiverse explanation might be true.  A multiverse explanation that might be true is more scientifically founded than God because (AFAIK) it is an explanation that makes assertions about natural mechanisms and therefore should be susceptible to the scientific process, being discredited as science advances or gaining additional support. 

God is not subject to the same, unless you are referring to a specific account of God that may be discredited if the deeds attributed to him did not in fact occur as stated. 



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Final-Fan on 16 February 2009

^ Although, I'm not sure if "natural" is exactly the right word for what is theorized in this case. But what I am saying is sound.



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outlawauron on 16 February 2009
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So what do you guys think of Louisiana passing a law that allows Intelligent Design to be taught, in addition to Darwinism, as a possible theory of creation.

 Three points:

1. There is no such thing as Darwinism.

2. If you meant Evolution - it isn't a theory of creation

3. It's Louisiana - public schools already suck and I doubt the children will learn "Intelligent Design" - Obviously teaching Evolution doesn't matter either - a la your example.

There is such thing as Darwinism. Evolution is just one of his theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism



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Slimebeast on 16 February 2009

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megaman79 on 16 February 2009
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But, but... the aliens! The aliens, man! We were all brought here by aliens, it's true! Don't y'all know?? C'mon, even John Travolta knows! Scientology man, Darwin knew nothing about that.

Unless scientology believes in time-travel psi-borgs, they are wrong. But hey, they might

They probably do believe in those too. :p After all, Tom Cruise, John Tavolta and Katie Holmes CAN'T be wrong, can they? I mean, they're moviestars! Scientology! We're all aliens!

 

John Travolta and Tom Cruise are closeted homosexuals who confessed to Scientoligists, using electric reading machines. They now have evidence of this and basically blackmail those two to do whatever they want or they will ruin their careers.

That must be the only reasonable explanation because they cannot possibly believe any of that volcano alien bullshit.

Darwin was right most of the time. He also believed that Australian Aboriginals should "die out" bcoz of their inferiority to white settlers. He came here years ago for a little trip but obviously went all the way down south.



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scottie on 19 February 2009

I'm not biologist, but I'm pretty sure that Darwinian evolution does not represent modern scientific belief? I'm fairly sure there were a fair few details improved upon in later years.

Still, it was a very good theory, and was certainly much closer to the truth than the first attempts at describing other fields - astronomy, the physics of motion as good examples



Avinash_Tyagi on 19 February 2009

Its funny to see the Abrahamics get into conniptions about evolution, you don't see eastern religions having problems with evolution, but you start mentioning evolution with Abrahamics in the room and they pop a blood vessel



 

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Hephaestos on 20 February 2009
supermario128 said:
Sort of, I just don't get how one day a fish can just start to come out of water and stuff like that.

 

go look at a frog from egg to adulthood... pretty straight forward example...



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VonShigsy on 20 February 2009

Hell yeah, i loved Darwin in SeaQuest DSV.



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