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numonex said:
Piracy, whatever it is, is not stealing. You are making a mistake of treating information with the same kind of moral metrics that we traditionally use for material objects.

Consider these facts about the proposition: A steals X from B:

* A no longer owns X
* X is no longer owned by A.
* B now owns X

Now consider the facts about the proposition: A copies X from B without A’s consent.

* A continues to own X
* X is owned by A
* X is owned by B
* B continues to own X

These relationships can be expressed in many different ways, what is inescapable about them is the unauthorized copying is not stealing.

The closest you can come to equating copying with stealing is if you speak not of the thing copied but of the "act of purchase". That is, that what is being deprived from B is A's act of purchase. But this in itself is a nonsense because it assumed that A would in all cases have purchased x from B.

People who copy information, like people who gossip (the analogy of passing on “unauthorized” information here is intentional), are not thieves. They may not be as morally wholesome as saints but they only commit he crime of theft in your antiquated and mistaken view of the ontology of information. Information is not an object.

exactly my point and that is why piracy should not be fought in poor countries, becuase it will not add revenue, people will just stop getting the product, becuase buying is not posible at the current prices. The real solution is to make the product economicly accesible.

 



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amp316 said:
numonex said:
Piracy will increase due to the recession. PC and all the hand helds and consoles can be pirated. It is surprising DS and PSP games are still high priced their prices should be much lower and people may buy more portable games instead of pirating them. Only PS3 is pirate free and may be a reason why it has not sold as much in poorer regions which bought PS2, PS3s predecessor which was easy to play pirate games on.
It would cost too much money to police the entire world and fully eliminate piracy of all media forms be it music, video games, movies, etc.
Piracy is stealing but it is doing it through a non violent process downloading it from the internet instead of physically stealing the product.

 

So since no one's getting physically beaten up it is perfectly alright?  Also you're blaming the PS3's lower sales on the fact that it's piracy free?  Whaaaaaat??????  It's like saying I had sex with a hooker behind my wife's back instead of having an actual relationship behind her back so it makes it not as bad.  Cheating is cheating and stealing is stealing. By the way, I'm not married, but still...  

There is an old saying that you do not pay hookers for sex, but to leave when you are done.  This is much safer than a relationship as there is little chance of retaining a stalker from said activities  :)  Not from experience, just saying.

 



You are getting a playable copy of a game for free without paying for it. This is taking money out of the game developers pockets which means that it is stealing. This is a huge reason many developers are going bankrupt. Ask them if they are being robbed of money. I love the entire they should make games more affordable argument. I wish that I could get a paid off mortgage for a house in a Cracker Jack box, but that's not how life works.



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amp316 said:
You are getting a playable copy of a game for free without paying for it. This is taking money out of the game developers pockets which means that it is stealing. This is a huge reason many developers are going bankrupt. Ask them if they are being robbed of money. I love the entire they should make games more affordable argument. I wish that I could get a paid off mortgage for a house in a Cracker Jack box, but that's not how life works.

 

What about Earthbound?



wfz said:
amp316 said:
You are getting a playable copy of a game for free without paying for it. This is taking money out of the game developers pockets which means that it is stealing. This is a huge reason many developers are going bankrupt. Ask them if they are being robbed of money. I love the entire they should make games more affordable argument. I wish that I could get a paid off mortgage for a house in a Cracker Jack box, but that's not how life works.

 

What about Earthbound?


This is a little different. You are talking about a game that is impossible to get in America. I'm talking about people that download games because buying them is a drag. You know. They don't like spending money.



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wfz said:
amp316 said:
You are getting a playable copy of a game for free without paying for it. This is taking money out of the game developers pockets which means that it is stealing. This is a huge reason many developers are going bankrupt. Ask them if they are being robbed of money. I love the entire they should make games more affordable argument. I wish that I could get a paid off mortgage for a house in a Cracker Jack box, but that's not how life works.

 

What about Earthbound?

 

 

*Sniff*

Even though I do own it. Still.

*Sniff* ; ;

But yeah, my take on it is, if it's not helping the developer any, (Such as being old or whatnot), or if it's Japanese only, or if I already own the game, I'll do it.

Otherwise I'll buy the game.

Edit: Earthbound is entirely possible to get in America, being as it was released on the SNES.

Mother 3 on the other hand...



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Yeah I was just throwing it in there for fun. :P

On a more serious note, I actually did think of something I wanted to add in here.

At our school library, you're only allowed to check-out certain books, but the rest of them aren't allowed to leave the library. You can open the books and photocopy as many pages as you want out of the book for free, however. Isn't this sort of like piracy? Or does it not count in the same light since you're only taking a part of it, and not the whole thing?

In which case, couldn't you just download the game in incomplete sections at a time, and then when you have it all downloaded it forms into the full game? Would that make it legal?

Now that I think of this, I've heard that people did this with music on torrent sites. I'm not sure the legal status on that, however.



@ wfz The books that you're allowed to do that at libraries are usually reference books, and as you said, only one page at a time. I don't think that people would do this with Encyclopedia: The Game.

The thing with music on the torrent sites was because some kind of law wasn't made for it at the time. Now you do have to pay a small amount.



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