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bigjon said:
appolose said:
Soleron said:
appolose said:
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Well, not if atheism is correct; you wouldn't know!

There are several hundred incompatible religions on this planet, all of which claim their way is the true and justified one. If you pick one religion, and it turns out another one, e.g. Norse gods, was correct, you still lose. Which one of the hundreds should I pick?

 

I know, I was just saying that if it turns out atheism is true, it would make no difference.

You should pick Christianity; we, unlike the others, are the correct answer!

 

The difference between Christianity and the other is our savior is a living savior.

Buhda = Dead

Muhamed = Dead

Joseph Smith = Dead

Krishna = Dead

Confusus = Dead

Jesus = Arisen

That there shows a difference, also if you study old testiment prophecy you will notice that not one of them has been wrong, many of them have already been fulfilled, some have not yet, but still will be.

For example the OT predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, The future empires that came and went (Nebecanezzer's dream), The Birthplace of jesus, He rejection amonst the Jews, his death, the means of his death, the Rebirth of Israel, and many many other things, that might help give you some faith if you studied Bible prophecy, the accuracy is amazing, actually supernatural.

You spelled Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius, and Nebuchadnezzar wrong.  And "amongst," but I hope that's a typo.

Confucius was a philosopher, not a savior.  Muhammad and Joseph Smith were prophets who founded new faiths after divine revelation, but aren't supernatural themselves.  In Buddhism, eternal life is not even the goal, so that comparison doesn't work.  The goal in Buddhism is to escape the cycle of life, which is a cycle of reincarnation and suffering.  And even then, calling Buddha "dead" is pretty tricky to do.  Krishna is a G-d, so I don't see how you're calling him dead.  It is believed that he doesn't age or deteriorate in any way.  Depending on your faith, Krishna is either the supreme being itself, or an avatar of Vishnu, the supreme being itself.

And when the Greco-Roman world was trading art, spices, and ideas with the Middle Eastern and Chinese cultures along the Silk Road, they borrowed many Buddhist ideas, and Christianity lifted these Buddhist ideas as well.

Do you actually know anything about other religions?



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon said:
appolose said:
Soleron said:
appolose said:
...

 

Well, not if atheism is correct; you wouldn't know!

There are several hundred incompatible religions on this planet, all of which claim their way is the true and justified one. If you pick one religion, and it turns out another one, e.g. Norse gods, was correct, you still lose. Which one of the hundreds should I pick?

 

I know, I was just saying that if it turns out atheism is true, it would make no difference.

You should pick Christianity; we, unlike the others, are the correct answer!

 

The difference between Christianity and the other is our savior is a living savior.

Buhda = Dead

Muhamed = Dead

Joseph Smith = Dead

Krishna = Dead

Confusus = Dead

Jesus = Arisen

That there shows a difference, also if you study old testiment prophecy you will notice that not one of them has been wrong, many of them have already been fulfilled, some have not yet, but still will be.

For example the OT predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, The future empires that came and went (Nebecanezzer's dream), The Birthplace of jesus, He rejection amonst the Jews, his death, the means of his death, the Rebirth of Israel, and many many other things, that might help give you some faith if you studied Bible prophecy, the accuracy is amazing, actually supernatural.

You spelled Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius, and Nebuchadnezzar wrong.  And "amongst," but I hope that's a typo.

Confucius was a philosopher, not a savior.  Muhammad and Joseph Smith were prophets who founded new faiths after divine revelation, but aren't supernatural themselves.  In Buddhism, eternal life is not even the goal, so that comparison doesn't work.  The goal in Buddhism is to escape the cycle of life, which is a cycle of reincarnation and suffering.  And even then, calling Buddha "dead" is pretty tricky to do.  Krishna is a G-d, so I don't see how you're calling him dead.  It is believed that he doesn't age or deteriorate in any way.  Depending on your faith, Krishna is either the supreme being itself, or an avatar of Vishnu, the supreme being itself.

And when the Greco-Roman world was trading art, spices, and ideas with the Middle Eastern and Chinese cultures along the Silk Road, they borrowed many Buddhist ideas, and Christianity lifted these Buddhist ideas as well.

Do you actually know anything about other religions?

yes I know alot about many religions, the spelling? I was just being lazy, I am doing several things at once here.

yes, to Islam Muhammed is a prophet, actually the same class as Jesus. Muhammed is just the great profit. He was sent by Allah to finish what Jesus had failed to do. I have studied Islam and its begginnings and I see no reasons it can be true. I know less about Buddism, but I know alot about many other religions.

I named those names because they are the "Main" people in their religions. Also when I spoke of death, I mean Physical. I believe that a spirit/ soul is eternal. I was refferring to the actually person as a whole Flesh/Spirit/Soul Jesus is the only that maintains all 3. I believe that Buddha's soul is still in extistence.... somewhere.... His body has been dead for thousands of years, Jesus has arisen, believe it or not, it is a matter of faith.

 



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon said:

The difference between Christianity and the other is our savior is a living savior.

Buhda = Dead

Muhamed = Dead

Joseph Smith = Dead

Krishna = Dead

Confusus = Dead

Jesus = Arisen

That there shows a difference, also if you study old testiment prophecy you will notice that not one of them has been wrong, many of them have already been fulfilled, some have not yet, but still will be.

For example the OT predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, The future empires that came and went (Nebecanezzer's dream), The Birthplace of jesus, He rejection amonst the Jews, his death, the means of his death, the Rebirth of Israel, and many many other things, that might help give you some faith if you studied Bible prophecy, the accuracy is amazing, actually supernatural.

You spelled Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius, and Nebuchadnezzar wrong.  And "amongst," but I hope that's a typo.

Confucius was a philosopher, not a savior.  Muhammad and Joseph Smith were prophets who founded new faiths after divine revelation, but aren't supernatural themselves.  In Buddhism, eternal life is not even the goal, so that comparison doesn't work.  The goal in Buddhism is to escape the cycle of life, which is a cycle of reincarnation and suffering.  And even then, calling Buddha "dead" is pretty tricky to do.  Krishna is a G-d, so I don't see how you're calling him dead.  It is believed that he doesn't age or deteriorate in any way.  Depending on your faith, Krishna is either the supreme being itself, or an avatar of Vishnu, the supreme being itself.

And when the Greco-Roman world was trading art, spices, and ideas with the Middle Eastern and Chinese cultures along the Silk Road, they borrowed many Buddhist ideas, and Christianity lifted these Buddhist ideas as well.

Do you actually know anything about other religions?

 

C mon, give him a break, nebucablahblah is hard to spell!

Anyway, muslims believe Christ was a prophet, and a great man , but not the son of god.

The anti christian writings extremists try to preach about aren't even there. The koran is cryptic, and that's why so much can be taken from it (I mean, it's a bunch of poems)

Abrahamists, why can't we all get along?

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bigjon said:
Jackson50 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Christian (Assemblies of God)

 

 

I personally feel the Penecostals put too much emphasis on the role of the Holy Spirit in worship. Thus where the use of speaking in tongues comes from. The Bible speaks of a Christian being baptised of the Spirit and they take to far imo, however, there other beliefs line up with mine, and I have no doupt they are Christians too.

Speaking in tongues as mentioned the bible is not the same as the video u see on Youtube. In the bible it was when the 12 apostle first went to spread the Gospel to the known world the Abibity to speak, and everyone hear it in their own lang. For example the Apostle Thomas went to the region around the Indus river, for the people to understand him he must have had the gift of tongues.

When it comes to the HS there is a difference between indwelling and possesstion, I feel the people in the video above are misguided into thinking it has more to do with possesstion.

 

While I do agree that some christians put too much emphasis on speaking in tongues (so that it becomes a forced and human produced thing rather than being a manifestation of the true Holy Spirit), you kinda narrowed down it's role a bit too much. The apostle Paul talks about speaking in tongues as a natural thing for christians. He encourages us to seek the gift/ability to speak in tongues, he mentiones it being a part of a christians private prayer etc. So it doesn't just have a role in mission to gentiles, far from it.

 



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WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:

 

ok, I like the fact your open about it at least.

It just seems many atheist are more "zealous" about atheism, than religiuos people are in their religion. Like even in this thread, you dont see.

I am a christian, what any reason about person who does not want to burn in hell will be.

but you do see,

I am an atheist, with some sort of followup or whatnot.

 

As far as a supreme being goes, I think many people do not want to believe in a God because it limits their freedoms. If there is no god there is no moral authority except maybe the golden rule. That is why they dont want to believe in a God, it is not necessarily the reason they dont. To many it is illogical.

Personally I think both sides of the coin come down to faith. theist see the order of creation as a proof of a supreme being, athiest try to find science (most of the things they have come up with are faulty at best). Based on hard concrete evidence neither side has enough to prove their case. Christians have always known it comes down to faith, it is the same for many Athiest, they just dont know it.

Believing in god limits freedoms? No sir. When I believed in a God I didn't do anything different, because I had nothing different to do. It limited my freedoms in no way. When I was a christian I still a doper, and I still had gay thoughts, but as a christian I though I knew the will of God, which was peace, love, understanding, and balance.

Believing in God didn't limit any of my freedoms morally. All it did was limit my critical thinking skills.

Both sides of the coin do not come down to faith! This is a bullshit argument I've heard far too much.

I, as an atheist, believe in observable reality, nothing more. Theists and people of other religions, believe in things outside of obervable reality, which takes faith to believe in, because you cannot observe things outside of observable reality.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. I don't believe in everything science says, and nothing science teaches has anything to do with my non belief in things outside of observable reality. I only believe in the scientific process, which is, observe, test, and repeat. Science, is based on observable reality, which we can use the scientific process on. We cannot use the scientific process on anything outside of observable reality, and that's why theism is called faith, it's about something outside of obervable reality. Atheism is about rejecting the concept of God. Atheists can observe that there's no observable evidence for God, which means there's no observable reason to believe in god.

Observable reality is where the line is drawn when it comes to faith. Most atheists only believe in observable reality, where as theists believe in things outside of observable reality, that's why it's faith. Now that you have heard what I have to say on this issue do you still think atheism is based on faith? If so, why?

 

Since no one was there to observe the beginning of the earth do you believe nothing about it, dont you ever wonder how we got here?

We have nothing but theories and speculation about the begginning of the universe from a scientific perspective, and from a creationist perspective we have the Bible.

 



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WessleWoggle,

But how can you limit yourself to observable reality? What if there is a reality outside of the observable reality?

I'm sure you can at least play with the thought that there could be such a reality. The simple example being that the world we experience and are able to measure is a simulation or an illusion, I'm sure you've heard that analogy. Another is that a god/supreme being created the world and rolled it into motion, but we can't necessarily trace the acts of the creator in it. Or we simply lack the technical ability to "know all", including how all that exists came to be.



WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:
WessleWoggle said:
bigjon said:

 

ok, I like the fact your open about it at least.

It just seems many atheist are more "zealous" about atheism, than religiuos people are in their religion. Like even in this thread, you dont see.

I am a christian, what any reason about person who does not want to burn in hell will be.

but you do see,

I am an atheist, with some sort of followup or whatnot.

 

As far as a supreme being goes, I think many people do not want to believe in a God because it limits their freedoms. If there is no god there is no moral authority except maybe the golden rule. That is why they dont want to believe in a God, it is not necessarily the reason they dont. To many it is illogical.

Personally I think both sides of the coin come down to faith. theist see the order of creation as a proof of a supreme being, athiest try to find science (most of the things they have come up with are faulty at best). Based on hard concrete evidence neither side has enough to prove their case. Christians have always known it comes down to faith, it is the same for many Athiest, they just dont know it.

Believing in god limits freedoms? No sir. When I believed in a God I didn't do anything different, because I had nothing different to do. It limited my freedoms in no way. When I was a christian I still a doper, and I still had gay thoughts, but as a christian I though I knew the will of God, which was peace, love, understanding, and balance.

Believing in God didn't limit any of my freedoms morally. All it did was limit my critical thinking skills.

Both sides of the coin do not come down to faith! This is a bullshit argument I've heard far too much.

I, as an atheist, believe in observable reality, nothing more. Theists and people of other religions, believe in things outside of obervable reality, which takes faith to believe in, because you cannot observe things outside of observable reality.

Atheism has nothing to do with science. I don't believe in everything science says, and nothing science teaches has anything to do with my non belief in things outside of observable reality. I only believe in the scientific process, which is, observe, test, and repeat. Science, is based on observable reality, which we can use the scientific process on. We cannot use the scientific process on anything outside of observable reality, and that's why theism is called faith, it's about something outside of obervable reality. Atheism is about rejecting the concept of God. Atheists can observe that there's no observable evidence for God, which means there's no observable reason to believe in god.

Observable reality is where the line is drawn when it comes to faith. Most atheists only believe in observable reality, where as theists believe in things outside of observable reality, that's why it's faith. Now that you have heard what I have to say on this issue do you still think atheism is based on faith? If so, why?

 

Since no one was there to observe the beginning of the earth do you believe nothing about it, dont you ever wonder how we got here?

We have nothing but theories and speculation about the begginning of the universe from a scientific perspective, and from a creationist perspective we have the Bible.

 

It's useless to wonder about things that currently have no explaination, mankind as a whole should not be caught up in wasting times on unobservable concepts like god, and should be focused on obervable concepts like happiness and peace.

Your second argument is redundant, the bible is also theorys and speculation, just much older, and it's only based upon the thoughts and feelings of men, rather than the scientific process.

 

 

That is your opinion. I consider the Bible to be inspired by God. It was written by 60 different human authors over 3 different contintents over a period of 2000 years, and yet is a cohesive work that never controdicts itself (people try to find controdictions, but always fail). The only explantion of this is a single divine author. Nothing in the Bible has ever been proven wrong, people chose not to believe many of the miracles but they cannot prove them wrong.

 



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