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The way I see how the world works. People seem to never satisfy of what they have and always striving for more.

All things revolve around 1 thing, money.

How much money does one need before s/he thinks it is enough?

There are people that have so much money that they cannot spend a faction of it for the rest of the remaining life time. Is there a reason to make more money? Wouldn't it be a good idea to spread the wealth and to amass it into 1 place?

/lost in thoughts



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Well that is actually what comunisum is supposed to bring. However, it never can work, because even if one leader can, live a life of total selflessness once they die the new leader will almost always become to power hungry.

America has a very good system we have just suffered the same problem that comunism always does. If we were to set a salery cap it would probably be a little better. If you look back to 1970 the boss usally made double the amount the workers made, which is a pretty fair deal IMO, but then things went wrong. Now days instead of 15,000 for you 30,000 for me, it has turned into 30,000 for you 26M for me. Greed is the biggest problem with humanity.



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Nope.

if they cant spend it, it just means they aren't trying hard enough.



Think about this: you are a scientist working on cancer cures that are very promising. Your neighbour scrubs floors in your workplace. Do you deserve more money (and therefore a better standard of life) than your neighbour?

If you think no, and you are happy with you and our neighbour being paid equally, sharing resources equally, both living in small houses and getting a few luxuries randomly across the year, then good for you, communism is the best option and your problem is avoided.

However, if you think you deserve somewhat better than him/her because of the effort you put in or the importance of your work, then your problem is unavoidable as for this to happen there almost certainly should be a free market and top executives will be paid a lot more than you and don't know how to spend it.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could live with the first option? The world would be extremely fair and good for everyone. But it isn't going to happen because most people think they deserve a better life if they put in more effort or their work is more important.

 



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I firmly believe a lot of the "Mega Rich" well the ones who haven't inherited it (I'm looking at you Walton children) don't make money because they want to be "rich".

They make money because they are good at it and they find it fun.

To Warren Buffet, making billions of dollars is = some gamer trying to get the high score on a Ms. Pacman machine in their local pizzeria, someone trying to get the lowest time they can on GT4 or unlock 100% on a RPG.

Look at Bill Gates, who has billions of dollars, plans to give it all away and yet is still making lots of money. He wants to spend pretty much all of his money before he goes by giving it away to charity yet he's still making it... why? He's gotta have a reason to go through all the crap and still work when he could retire.

As for should they give it away? Sure, maybe. Then again i'm sure some would like their kids to be rich and also make it so that their grandchildren will be rich too... and knowing their granchildren they may want there granchildrens kids to live better too... etc down the line...

Sure that seems like a lot of "Looking into the future" to connect those distant descendants, but then again to get super rich isnt that the quality you need the most?



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Game_boy said:

Think about this: you are a scientist working on cancer cures that are very promising. Your neighbour scrubs floors in your workplace. Do you deserve more money (and therefore a better standard of life) than your neighbour?

If you think no, and you are happy with you and our neighbour being paid equally, sharing resources equally, both living in small houses and getting a few luxuries randomly across the year, then good for you, communism is the best option and your problem is avoided.

However, if you think you deserve somewhat better than him/her because of the effort you put in or the importance of your work, then your problem is unavoidable as for this to happen there almost certainly should be a free market and top executives will be paid a lot more than you and don't know how to spend it.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could live with the first option? The world would be extremely fair and good for everyone. But it isn't going to happen because most people think they deserve a better life if they put in more effort or their work is more important.

 


Or you could just have an economic model that makes sure everyone that contributes gets plenty to survive on, plus some money for extras and give each job a certain amount of pay allong with evaluations to see who is living up to their job.

The problem with the first society is that if you pay everybody the same... who's going to want to do the really hard jobs?  Sure there will be people who will want to do them, but not enough.  With everyone paying the same who's going to decide who gets what job?  What happens to the people who don't work at all or do their jobs poorly because they have no motivation? 

The problem isn't that some people can't live in a true communism, it's that no one can live in a true communism.  Not one person.  Even then people would still be jealous because everyone wouldn't have the same things.  There would still be people who would be dumb with their money, and blow it, while other would save it, or some who would choose the "best" options and others who would choose "lesser" options.  There would still be rich and poor, and people would still be jealous.  The only way around this is to restrict free choice to where everybody gets the same EVERYTHING. Which still wouldn't work.

After all you would not be able to regulate peoples personalites, some will be liked, some will be disliked, and love.  There will always be differences among each of our lives.  Restricting the scope will not restrict the amount of difference that will be felt people will just put more emphasis on the emotional and personal differences.  There will always be differences and there will always be a gulf felt between those who are considered as "haves" and those who are considered as "have nots" money is just one of the many things that divide us.  Heck, physical apperance is yet another one that comes to mind.

 The only true crime now is that people don't have their basic needs met.

 Also, if we're talking world wide communism, that would cause some problems.  For example, you could kiss videogame systems and the internet good bye for the most part.  Heck you could kiss 24/7 electricity goodbye.  Do you know how much resources are used to generate electricty?  I'd be surprised if there was any electricty outside of public buildings in a world wide communism. 



communism isn't working, so is democracy.
But... I do think democracy is by far the best form of government.

While I agree that people tend to think they deserve more than others for what they do and/or born into. But I don't see the reason to amass so much wealth and unable to spend it all.

Note that I used "spend" and not "waste".

Let's see, CEO making 30M/yr and you making 30k/yr. That's 1000x difference. Regardless what how much more work one do, I don't believe a person should make that much more than a regular worker.

Perhaps, the way I see it is that there should be 3 levels. Rich, Middle class, and poor.
But what we have is, Mega-rich, super rich, rich, poor, very poor, dirt-poor.

If you work hard, you deserve to become rich (eventually). You have no worry with money matter.
If you work a little, play a little. Leading a steady normal life. You're middle class.
If you're "unfortunate" and/or lazy, you lead a poor life.
So, this way, everyone has food to eat and a bed to sleep in.

There's a lot that I don't understand of course. I am just living in my own little well.

Another I see is that, the gap between the rich and middle class seems to grow wider.



Another thing to consider is motivation. Why bust your ass at anything when you're earning and entitled to exactly what the deadbeat next to is earning and entitled to? How would most workers be motivated then? At the end of a whip? There is always room for improvement in any government, but communism is a laughable, and wholly depressing, solution.

For one thing, if you posted something like this in a communist country, but were pondering the possibilities of democracy, the government would have little trouble silencing you however they saw fit.



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I am very money driven... i've been looking at career paths and the 1st thing I looked at is pay...you make an interesting point galaki...

one other thing... 'Do you control money?' or 'Does money control you?'



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