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Viper1 said:
jammy2211 said:
NJ5 said:
jammy2211 said:

 Most of that seems to be from Okami stuff albeit there was Z&W articles too.

However, if a Capcom vice president at doing something I can't remember the title of says Zack and Wiki made a loss, then it did. If he says it sold below expectations, then it did.

 The past is history, maybe the 'sources' people are citing were incorrect, maybe it was misinterpreted, or maybe just Capcom spin to impress investors goodness knows. The one thing I think you can be sure of is that a Capcom Rep isn't going to say a game was a failure (It made a loss...) if it wasn't. Investors don't like that, yanno?

EDIT: He's the second Capcom guy to say this now btw... after the guy talking about the Dead Rising Port. Capcom being honest or CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE WIIIIII DUN DUN DDEEEEER.

So how do you explain this link saying Okami "didn't make money" while Mr. Svensson says it was "moderately successful"?

No one is making conspiracy theories here, just trying to figure out what's right and wrong amidst all the contradictory information.

 

I'd imagine the first guy is talking about the investment lost from the PS2 version, and Sven is refering to the comparitive success of bringing an already finished product to the Wii, for much less cost. They are two different quotes from different people you know, right?

 Sven said himself, Zack and Wiki made a loss. It amazes me people on here seem to want to debate two quotes from Capcom employees within the space of a day that say that.

 

Who was the other employee and in what official capacity did he make the statement and do you have a link?

 

The Dead Rising Quote which says "Okami, Viewtiful Joe and Zack and Wiki didn't make money" (Something along those lines) is from Dead Rising's head of marketing or something, not sven anyway.

 And Sven says in one of his posts Zack and Wiki made a loss.

 Anywho, dinner time, will be back to this in a bit.



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narfwack said:

I'm still not surprised with Z&W numbers if they're only at 300k.  No advertizing ever and barely any stock at stores so what do you expect?

Exactly.  I asked my wife to get it for me as a gift but she couldn't for the life of her find it anywhere.  If a game can't be found by those looking for it and those not looking for a specific game but just want to get any game never see it on shelves what chance of success does it have if.

 



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I was just looking at this financial report and I noticed they expect 500,000 units sold for Dead Rising Chop Till You Drop.

Up-to-date official Zack & Wiki data is nowhere to be seen though.

 



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Rhonin the wizard said:
Star Scream said:
Found this quote from Sven:

"Lastly, Okami Wii is not on track to outsell the PS2 version. The worldwide Okami Wii number might get to the US Okami PS2 number at some point though. "

Ouch, that's harsh...

According to this as of March 2007 the PS2 version sold 270,000 units. And from Capcom's financial report for the first half of fiscal year ending March 31, 2009, the Wii version sold 300,000 units.

lol, Sven himself was talking about that 270k figure




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Viper1 said:
jammy2211 said:
NJ5 said:
jammy2211 said:

 Most of that seems to be from Okami stuff albeit there was Z&W articles too.

However, if a Capcom vice president at doing something I can't remember the title of says Zack and Wiki made a loss, then it did. If he says it sold below expectations, then it did.

 The past is history, maybe the 'sources' people are citing were incorrect, maybe it was misinterpreted, or maybe just Capcom spin to impress investors goodness knows. The one thing I think you can be sure of is that a Capcom Rep isn't going to say a game was a failure (It made a loss...) if it wasn't. Investors don't like that, yanno?

EDIT: He's the second Capcom guy to say this now btw... after the guy talking about the Dead Rising Port. Capcom being honest or CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE WIIIIII DUN DUN DDEEEEER.

So how do you explain this link saying Okami "didn't make money" while Mr. Svensson says it was "moderately successful"?

No one is making conspiracy theories here, just trying to figure out what's right and wrong amidst all the contradictory information.

 

I'd imagine the first guy is talking about the investment lost from the PS2 version, and Sven is refering to the comparitive success of bringing an already finished product to the Wii, for much less cost. They are two different quotes from different people you know, right?

 Sven said himself, Zack and Wiki made a loss. It amazes me people on here seem to want to debate two quotes from Capcom employees within the space of a day that say that.

 

Who was the other employee and in what official capacity did he make the statement and do you have a link?

It was Colin Ferris, who worked for GameRevolution.com until 2001 and is now a Product Marketing Manager at Capcom's offices in San Mateo focusing on the Dead Rising and Monster Hunter brands. Here



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This game did 35,000 month one in the USA if I remember what NPD had for it correctly and managed to ship 300,000 - at least. Given that Capcom couldn't figure out how to sell retailers on the project and it sold that well anyway, they'd probably be able to say "this game did ok, here is why, buy the sequel" Sven is pretty fatalistic here given that alot of game series tend to start much smaller (would you have predicted GTA 3 sales based on GTA 2 sales?) and grow over time.

Its fairly clear that Wii games do have a strong shelf frankly, at least in the USA. A fraction of the 300k shipped went to non-North American markets but it probably managed to quintuple its month one sales in the USA. De Blob and Boom Blox had similarly low debuts but may end up topping 1m units lifetime.

Not really sure about the Viewtiful Joe complaint either...it was apparently in the NPD Top 10 in October 2003:

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=marketData&content=topgamesellers&chartdate=10%2F1%2F2003&Submit=Go

I also seem to remember IGNCube saying it came in 11th and did like 110k but I'm too lazy to look. GC games were certaintly more front loaded but it probably did ~500k worldwide.



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Zack and Wiki was a great title but who was it marketed at??

I would have appreciated the great puzzles the game had with some darker characters rather than Zack & Wiki. Zack was cool but the game seemed skewed for a younger audience, yet had that devilish Capcom difficulty that most kids find too hard or boring because they are impatient for results!

The game was aewsome but I think if they made the characters slightly darker (akin to say Ratchet and Clank) the game would have sold more! Still sad for Capcom and shame on Wii gamers for igoring it!

P.S I bought the game!



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Rhonin the wizard said:
Viper1 said:
jammy2211 said:
NJ5 said:
jammy2211 said:

 Most of that seems to be from Okami stuff albeit there was Z&W articles too.

However, if a Capcom vice president at doing something I can't remember the title of says Zack and Wiki made a loss, then it did. If he says it sold below expectations, then it did.

 The past is history, maybe the 'sources' people are citing were incorrect, maybe it was misinterpreted, or maybe just Capcom spin to impress investors goodness knows. The one thing I think you can be sure of is that a Capcom Rep isn't going to say a game was a failure (It made a loss...) if it wasn't. Investors don't like that, yanno?

EDIT: He's the second Capcom guy to say this now btw... after the guy talking about the Dead Rising Port. Capcom being honest or CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE WIIIIII DUN DUN DDEEEEER.

So how do you explain this link saying Okami "didn't make money" while Mr. Svensson says it was "moderately successful"?

No one is making conspiracy theories here, just trying to figure out what's right and wrong amidst all the contradictory information.

 

I'd imagine the first guy is talking about the investment lost from the PS2 version, and Sven is refering to the comparitive success of bringing an already finished product to the Wii, for much less cost. They are two different quotes from different people you know, right?

 Sven said himself, Zack and Wiki made a loss. It amazes me people on here seem to want to debate two quotes from Capcom employees within the space of a day that say that.

 

Who was the other employee and in what official capacity did he make the statement and do you have a link?

It was Colin Ferris, who worked for GameRevolution.com until 2001 and is now a Product Marketing Manager at Capcom's offices in San Mateo focusing on the Dead Rising and Monster Hunter brands. Here

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I think that its a pity that a Vice-President of Strategic Planning & Business Development feels the need to write in the tone he does. It is as if he blames consumers for not buying these apparently brilliant games. As Vice President of Strategic Planning and Business Development, maybe he should not be so smug, as the failure of these apparently brilliant games does not reflect well on his performance at his current job.

Lets be honest, if Nintendo (or Ubisoft or Sega) was to make Zack and Wiki or Okami, the games would have sold brilliantly and both been profitable. Not because they have the Nintendo stamp on them. But because the games would have not only been brilliant, but everything from character design, to the marketing strategy and even the development budget would be directed at appealing to a crowd that would have made the game profitable.

If Capcom is unable to make a commercial hit out of a fantastic game, maybe they should stop blaming Wii owners as they have done in the past, but fire their Vice President of Strategic Planning and Business Development.



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If Viewtiful Joe didn't make money, then Capcom should be shut down.

Why else would you release three sequels -- and sell the rights to a cartoon show?

I would be very worried if I were an investor.

Then again, all these quotes are from the American office of a Japanese company made by people who used to be on the reporting side of video games. Maybe they don't know much.

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