720p is the maximum of my 1m Panasonic plasma and I`m happy with what I see. And I have a gaming Pc and played Mass Effect on Pc and then on my 360. I enjoyed the 360 experience more,even if it was my 2`nd (the first time was on Pc).

"And if you have a gaming Pc or know how to build one,you also know what utorrent/bittorent is" -> Cliff B. on why Gears of War 2 will not be on Pc. And I agree.

Pc gaming is based on subscriptions (wow is a good example) and casual games (because casual people do not know how to pirate/don`t want the hassle). Hardcore gamers can/will not pirate Pc games. Digital distribution is ok...torrents are ok. Who wins? Not the developers or publishers.

Consoles sale more than Pc when it comes to games,and you can rent console games first day to help the developers/publishers. Do you understand now why this pc/360 talk is useless? Yes,you guesed it -> money. It will always be about the money. More ports equals more money. And you should thank MS for giving you all those games for windows and 360 ports on Pc.

If MS will reject Pc gamingand apply a Windows embargo,there will be more 360 exclusives...much more. The hardcore games will die and every hardcore Pc player will buy a 360 like a video card upgrade.

So do not mess with MS,they are much powerfull than you think. They have to keep Apple OS out of pc gaming and they are doing fine...but when they will focus on 360 only...ouch.

Starcraft 2,Diablo 3, Stalker, Crysis and many more Pc exclusives require Windows. Alan Wake Pc requires Vista. This is only a demo of what MS can do. What can Sony do? Give you first party games and free online. I can tell the difference. Can you?

well said Rpruett

Again, I already clarified that I was just giving a general example, and meant for that example to include the OEMs Dell, HP, Gateway, Acer, Asus, et. all.

Still, the fact I am saying all this time is the majority of PCs built today are not capable of gaming to the standards of an HD console.  The new PC's using integrated graphics can play some new games on medium/low settings, but those settings do not compare to the quality you get with a 360.  That is my point.  It is not the same as yours.

By the way, you never mentioned what company you work for.

The graphics are fine.  Certainly playable.  You make it seem as if Graphics are the only thing that matters.  I'll give you a hint, the inferior "graphics" based console has ran away from it's competition the past two generations.  Guess that doesn't matter to most people, so long as they get to play fun games.

Chuckle.  The 20 year old junior in college .  With his infinite wisdom and experience. 

Taking the list of upcoming games from Stan85's post as inspiration...

Do you admit older onboard chips like the 7100 and 6150 can run upcoming mega hits, Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 at acceptable levels?

And I work at Dell.

And I think we were arguing different points. The onboard graphics do NOT equal an xbox, but do provide a good gaming platform even for the newest games.

I do not admit to the older chipsets being acceptable gaming platforms.  I guess we are definitely arguing different points.  When I think of PC Gaming, I think of PC's that were purchased with that as a main purpose of the system.  Some average consumers who just want a Home PC and buy a game for it, they are not the same type of people that would buy either console anyways (since they are not overly concerned with graphics).  The whole premise of this thread and the branching arguments I have made is comparing the HD systems with a PC that is actually meant for HD high detail play.  I have been trying to show that people who are even concerned about the HD consoles and make the claim "well I can just get that on PC" are usually ones with good gaming PC's and not the ones that don't care about graphics or the ones who buy the cheapest OEM computer like you all were saying.

I was saying that the majority of PC's are bought without Gaming as a priority, and those PC's will not play games to the quality of the 360 or PS3, which is why you can't come in here with the argument that onboard graphics and a cheap $500 pre-built system is enough to compete with the gaming that a 360 or PS3 can do.

The onboard graphics may be acceptable to some, but not those who are actually concerned or interested in the HD consoles, so I guess again, like most things, It's just down to opinions and the eye of the beholder.

Read my last post.  And while the praise is always accepted, I never claimed to have infinite wisdom. At least I have a profile that realisticly describes who I am.  I guess you must be a "Male".  Chuckle, the annonymous Male persona is attempting to outwit me.  It hurts me so bad /sarcasm

The minute you brought percentages into this to make your point you lost all credibility.  3 is greater than 2, and 14 is greater than 12.  Not that I put much store by Metacritic anyway since I enjoy plenty of "bad" games by that standard.

@ Integrated graphics: Not even a top tier model like the 780G could really even play an extremely scalable game like COD IV on even the lowest settings in an acceptable manner.

The chances of it being able to play this years console games are extremely SLIM. Btw, its still better than 90% of integrated chips out there which are even worse! Craptastic Intel ones FTW.

What your glorious little bar graph and logic fails to mention is a very simple fact.  You do not have to play the game at 1024x768,  to enjoy it.  Call of Duty 4 scales alllll the way down to 640x480.    You keep adding this metric of "it has to atleast look the same as the Xbox 360",  when that isn't even remotely true. PLENTY of people don't own HD Televisions and end up playing their PS3/360 on 480i  type conditions.  Which is certainly, not some mind blowing graphical experience.

There's a reason why Activision puts scalers in their game.  Playing at 640x480 will provide numerous boosts in performance and easily will run on lesser cards, even 640x480 is unlikely for most newer PC's.  800x600 is likely.  Which is totally fine to play CoD 4 with.

While you are diverting from the original point,  it still stands.  You can play pretty much all of these titles with a very average PC on low settings.  Only when you try to add stipulations can you make a case.