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makingmusic476 on 26 January 2009
ClaudeLv250 said:
makingmusic476 said:
I think the problem with many people is that they interpret "I'm really excited about this game!" as "This game will change gaming forever and sell over 10 million!"

If you scroll through my posting history, you'll see that I've probably hyped this game more than anybody else on this forum, yet the entire time all I've said was that this game plays great, looks really great, and has an addicting multiplayer experience. It's just fun. It won't reinvent the wheel. It won't become the best game ever. It won't do anything like that. But it'll be an awesome game.

And then people come in, bitching about overhype and whatnot, saying people will only be disappointed in the end. Yeah, you might be disappointed, only because you interpreted the excitement in an unrealistic way, most likely only so you could later use it as ammo against fans of a console you don't particularly like.

Nope.

This is like the seventh time this has happened. The past two weeks, the board as been swamped with threads worshipping and overhyping Killzone 2. If it wasn't happening we wouldn't have this thread because there wouldn't be people who cared so much about early opinions on the game to make a thread telling people not to have said opinions. It wouldn't be that big of a deal.

The only difference this time is that the "it wasn't hyped!" phase came early and now we have people claiming that it's not being overhyped in a discussion sandwiched between threads hyping the game. 

I'm not saying there isn't a lot of hype for this game.  There's an assload of hype for this game.  The difference is *what* people are hyping it up to be.

Hype = excitement.  That's all it is.  People are excited about this game.  Through their excitement are they proclaiming it up to be the greatest thing since slice bread?  I'm sure there are a few fools out there who are.  But quite a few of us are simply saying it'll be a really good shooter.

 



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Deneidez on 26 January 2009
makingmusic476 said:

Funny, because you tried to counter the bullshots (which were actually captured directly from gameplay footage by posters on neogaf) with bullshots released directly by Guerrilla Games.  You even completely disregarded the 720p shots I posted (also captured straight from gameplay, once again by the fine fellows at neogaf), despite the fact that that's what the game would look like when running on your tv.

The reason I called you a troll is because you were only there to start trouble. You were completely disregarding the points made against you, continuing with your "Those are bullshots, the game dosn't look that good" line.

I tried show why those screenshots looked like they did look. Small resolution + maybe 'screenshot' with camera give way too many beneficial things for those screenshots. Every game will look incredible if you just crank down the resolution enough(See the original thread with wall from PDZ vs wall from KZ2.). So they are more or less bullshots like I stated. And for those official screenshots... I tried to find ground and wall just like in the OP pictures to show what they look like when you have original resolution. Well, you did post lots of screenshots of something else than that so they really weren't even on the topic and thats why I ignored them.

And I wouldn't call LBP average in anything other than sales.  And even then, it's the fast selling first party title Sony has yet released on the ps3.

So... Still is it that HUGE? :)

Edit:  And note, if I had actually considered you any sort of serious troll, you've been given an official warning.  But you weren't given any such thing.

Well, I didn't troll and you knew that, but the thing was that you had to defend somehow. :)

 

Best thing in that thread was when I did start mocking Gears 2 and did post two bullshots(I even said that those were bullshots.) from that game I was immediately labeled as Xbot whos ruining that thread by posting Gears 2 pictures. Great...

 

I think thats enough about it. You can answer, but I won't answer anymore about this topic. Just wanted to make those things straight and this thread was near what happened in that topic.



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Onyxmeth on 26 January 2009
CGI-Quality said:
I just don't get why if person A&B hype Killzone 2 then person C&D feel the need to complain about it. What's the big deal, if the game sells well, GREAT! That means look for, possibly, more sequels. If it sucks, oh well, the only people TRULY affected in a substantial way is Sony. Therefore, what's the big deal if it's hyped into Oblivion?

Absolutely nothing. What's the big deal about it being trashed into oblivion? Absolutely nothing. What's the point of this thread? Absolutely nothing.

 



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richardhutnik on 26 January 2009
Groucho said:

Guys, come on.

Killzone 2 will be not only subpar, but downright terrible, if you don't get the chance to play it!  It will be awful to sit there, staring at your 360, wishing Killzone 2 would magically appear. 

Give those poor guys a break -- let them whimper, if that's what they need to feel better.

 

more OT: Killzone 2 doesn't need to beat out CoD4 to be great -- you don't have to dethrone the King to be regal, when it comes to gaming.  I'd be a tad upset if I prefer Halo 3 over it, but if its even that good, that's okay too.  Those games (CoD4 at least) were stellar.  KZ2 doesn't have to make them look shoddy to be great -- it just has to compare favorably.

There is likely a DEEP longing  by some on the Sony side that the Playstation brand owns FPS the way Gran Turismo owns racing games.  They can't stand Halo and Gears having the bulk of the spotlight, and Call of Duty doesn't do it either, because it is multiplatform.  They seriously want to have the FPS niche be dominated by the Sony brand, as every genre is supposed to be, so that people will return to Sony and they feel their ownership is justified.  Similar goes on with Gran Turismo in the Microsoft camp.  Forza is hyped up and made to be superior, because the Microsoft camp doesn't like Gran Turismo is an exclusive.  Similarly, the likes of Final Fantasy and Tekken going muticonsole hurts the camp.  MGS ending on the 360 would hurt, as would Mass Effect.

Apparently Bioshock going multiconsole isn't as big of a deal, because it didn't do go numbers on the PS3 saleswise. 

 



Pyramid Head on 26 January 2009

Having not played Killzone 2, or the Beta, I would just like to say, that it will be sub par.



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blazinhead89 on 26 January 2009

MakinMusic FTW!



Onyxmeth on 26 January 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Onyxmeth said:
CGI-Quality said:
I just don't get why if person A&B hype Killzone 2 then person C&D feel the need to complain about it. What's the big deal, if the game sells well, GREAT! That means look for, possibly, more sequels. If it sucks, oh well, the only people TRULY affected in a substantial way is Sony. Therefore, what's the big deal if it's hyped into Oblivion?

Absolutely nothing. What's the big deal about it being trashed into oblivion? Absolutely nothing. What's the point of this thread? Absolutely nothing.

 

Well I won't argue which ya there, Killzone 2 DOES NOT need this many threads, infact, NO game does!

 

I agree. Let me elaborate a little further and give some insight on why I think the hyping does get annoying. Hyping these games usually has very little to do with the game itself and much more to do with the agenda of having a pissing contest with rival console owners. "Hey look at this amazing game I can buy that you can't!". Each side does it to the other and then bitches when it's happening to them. If you don't want to agree then answer me this. Show me the last 360/PS3 multiplatform game that got anywhere near the attention that all the exclusives got last year. The only one I can think of is GTA IV and if I recall, most of the topics consisted of "My version has better framerate/draw distance/miniscule difference than your version does! HA!". Look at Final Fantasy XIII. Show me a thread that doesn't just result in a pissing contest between gloating 360 fans for having it, and resentful and defensive PS3 fans claiming their version is better, still exclusive in Japan and Microsoft causing a delay.

Maybe the game is fantastic. Maybe it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Maybe it's utter crap. Maybe it's just another shooter. Maybe it's one of the best shooters. The problem is your crowd, along with the 360 crowd are the boys who cried wolf. You hype almost everything exclusive so no one wants to believe you anymore. Why should they too. No matter how Killzone 2 turns out, you're all just going to move onto Infamous next, the same as how the Star Ocean crowd is going to move onto Halo Wars following it's release. Somehow, those two little nothing games from Capcom go unnoticed in the swamp of overhyped exclusives.

At the end of the day though, for all the hyping I see of exclusives, I see way too many of you 360 and PS3 fans playing the very games you aren't talking about.

 



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Strategyking92 on 26 January 2009

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HappySqurriel on 26 January 2009
CGI-Quality said:

No. that was NOT my point. My point was just because one game did bad, in an entirely different gen no less, doesn't mean the sequel will follow suit. One big difference between KZ1 and KZ2 is that there's a lot riding on the success of Killzone 2. This wasn't the case with KZ1 in the PS2 days. The PS2 already had LOTS of killer titles and was in the lead so they did not have to work as hard on the title to prove much. In the case of KZ2, however, they have LOTS to live up to including: meeting the 2005 target CGI, making the gameplay far better than it was in the original and becoming one of the definitve titles of the PS3. Now, early reviews and beta testers have already said the game is miles above the original and that is where a lot of the current hype comes from. You already explained why Lair/Haze CANNOT be compared to KZ2 because the early reviews and demos ALL spoke badly of both, hence, it killed their hype!!! I only mentioned budget because Sony has invested FAR more into Killzone 2 than either of those other titles. It's budget however won't guarantee that it will be an awesome game. However, KZ2's hype grows more and more with each review that trickles in coupled with beta testers accounts of their experience. None of these early players of the title have had a bad thing to say about it, that's my point!

I think there is a little revisionist history going on here ...

The first review for Lair was from Play magazine at 90% followed soon after by Gamedaily at 60% which caused quite a few arguments, and there were generally positive previews being released for Lair several weeks before it was released.

Haze didn't have as good of an initial review (gamedaily gave it a 7/10 which was one of its best scores) but also had generally positive previews several weeks before it was released.

 

The one thing I would really like people to start paying attention to is that highly anticipated games tend to be very front loaded in terms of critical reception ...

 

 

 

 



richardhutnik on 26 January 2009
FishyJoe said:
What's with all the persecution complex threads lately? The level of paranoia in the community is getting out of hand.

One things that views people who are part of a group is that they are collectively under attack somehow.  When the group collectively identifies with something, and that something is questioned, they take it personally and feel like they are persecuted.  People who had followed the Playstation brand awhile, do feel like they are under attack because the Wii and 360 have outsold it.

Feelings of persecution help bind a group together.  I saw this back in the Atari 8bit days, where the Atari computers got beat by the Commodore 64 and Amiga.