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megaman79 said:

I dont believe that for a second akuma. Its an excuse to get away with the crimes they have committed over 8 yrs. He's already proved he's got a backbone, i want to see him make a commitment to REALLY restoring the integrity of the gov.

Just saying no to torture is a long long long long long long long way away from that goal.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
megaman79 said:

I dont believe that for a second akuma. Its an excuse to get away with the crimes they have committed over 8 yrs. He's already proved he's got a backbone, i want to see him make a commitment to REALLY restoring the integrity of the gov.

Just saying no to torture is a long long long long long long long way away from that goal.

 

open accountability works, he's doing that atleast. Im talking about war crimes and how noone should be absolved of the things they have done for any reason. How can Obama openly critisize another country for interfering in democracy or invading another country unjustly (georgia) when he is not willing to take action against his own countries illegal actions.

What makes Nixon any different to whats happened with Iraq? Oh thats right, he didn't cause the unjust and unlawfull murder of almost a million innocent civilians, and yet he still got impeached? Well i guess thats fair, one interferes with election planning while the other manufactures fake intelligence to convince both congress and the United Nations to give support to an invasion that should never have occured.



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It won't solve anything if Obama does that. If anything, it is more likely to make America even more partisan and put people back in power who do support the kinds of actions you are talking about. You are looking for short term vindication. That isn't as valuable as long term vindication.

A witch hunt usually solves nothing. Look at the whole McCarthy fiasco. All it does is stain everyone's hands who was involved as well as those who try to punish them. What you are suggesting is one of the last things America needs right now.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Tyrannical said:
That Guy said:

I believe his campaign DID release his birth certificate. What is the deal with his college records? I'm sure he would produce it upon request. But why would you prove with his transcript?

anyways, here's the dirt on his certificate.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp


 

 The various lawsuits were for Obama's long form birth certificate that is signed by the delivering doctor at the hospitol. That's what he has refused to release.  According to rumor, his mother registered his birth as "at home" a few days after he was born when she arrived back to Hawaii from Kenya. The rumor also claims local Hospitols have no record of his birth, and that his mother never lived at the address provided on the birth certificate. Of course we'll never know as he refuses to release them.

His college records were being seeked because some crazy rumor claimed he had listed his citizenship as Indonesian or place of birth as Kenya on one of his admissions forms, I think for Occidental College. Of course we won't know because he won't release them.

 

For foreigners as me it is kind of funny to read all those discussions if Obama is born in USA or not. So what?

I'll translate it into Japanese.

Until the birth of Prince Hisahito, son of Prince Akishino, on September 6, 2006, there was a potential succession problem, since Prince Akishino was the only male child to be born into the imperial family since 1965. Following the birth of Princess Aiko, there was some public debate about amending the current Imperial Household Law to allow women to succeed to the throne

Imagine if Prince Hisahito's real father turned out to be the mailman.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

 

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg

 

errr what else is there to know?

Anyways, he's not going to go out of his way to prove every single conspiracy theory wrong. Does he have to go out of his way to prove that he's not a Muslim, either? This is totally getting frivolous

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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anyways, I think all members of federal/state government should have the option of deferring, taking less, or not accepting their paychecks. It would save a little bit of money, and it would make the lawmakers look good in the eyes of the public.



megaman79 said:open accountability works, he's doing that atleast. Im talking about war crimes and how noone should be absolved of the things they have done for any reason. How can Obama openly critisize another country for interfering in democracy or invading another country unjustly (georgia) when he is not willing to take action against his own countries illegal actions.

What makes Nixon any different to whats happened with Iraq? Oh thats right, he didn't cause the unjust and unlawfull murder of almost a million innocent civilians, and yet he still got impeached? Well i guess thats fair, one interferes with election planning while the other manufactures fake intelligence to convince both congress and the United Nations to give support to an invasion that should never have occured.

 

 No, Nixon was not impeached.



Good?

I like the new press secretary too for what it's worth.



stof said:
oh crap... How long are people going to keep up with that birth thing?

Anyways, his first two declarations are good, but mostly symbolic. Now when he closes Guantanamo... That's when he starts proving himself as a President. (I hope he does that damn soon)

probably about 20 years or so when we find out that he was born in Kenya... and it didn't really effect anything as far as him being a good or bad president.

 



ssj12 said:
Moongoddess256 said:
I said I'd sit back and see what Obama does before I get all excited about him. Seems he is doing something though... so its looking good.

he is 2 for 2 for me... not sure if he has done anything else

2 good things:

- Freeze Gov. payroll

- Article above

 

2 bad things:

- Shut down Guantanamo Bay

- Stop all War-crime tribunals.

 

this.