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BHR-3 said:
billsalias said:
BHR-3 said:

nice we got these #'s so early 360 margin on outselling the ps3 this week might be 45k about 10k less than last week its days of outselling the ps3 are numbered

also something to ponder over the ps3 wit only 52k this week i have a feeling that we'll C some sub 35k a week #'s from it pretty soon that's going to make me feel

 

I cannot tell if you are joking or not. You know that if japan comes up with 24k ps3 and 12k 360 the 360 will outsell the PS3 by about 1 percent more then last week? Yes absolute number look better when smaller but the percentage is still the same. If japan sees a drop it could be an actual increase in the percentage gap between ps3 and 360.

 

wat R u talking about ps3 24k 360 12k thats 12k diffrence the current gap is at 57k so 57-12=45 last week the gap 360 was outselling it was 57k this week it will b like i said even b4 the jp preview was in 45k that is 10k less then last week so how will the 360 outsell it by 1% more than last week   i think that jp will come up with 7k 360 20k ps3 rather than ur 12k 24k

 

Before you start getting all indignant you should try a little harder to understand what someone says. The math is fairly simple and makes sense if you read what I said about percentages versus absolute numbers. As the total sales goes down the gap can be smaller to maintain the same percentage advantage. If 360 sells 10 and PS3 sells 5 the gap is 100 percent even though it is only 5 units. So to layout it out exactly for you:

Last week:

360 = 257k, PS3 = 199k

That results in the 360 outselling the PS3 by 29 percent as computed by 257/199 = 1.29.

 

This week we are looking at 189k 360 and 132k PS3 so far.

With my numbers of 24 and 12 that would result in 201/154 = 1.30 or 360 outselling PS3 by 30 percent, one more then last week.

With your numbers of 20 and 7, we get 196/158 = 1.24 or 360 outselling PS3 by 24 percent, 5 less then last week.

If we average the two you get 198.5/156 = 1.27, or a 2 percent decrease.

In any case not enough data or significant enough change in any direction to indicate a trend.

And before you start calling me on my numbers I dropped fractions for clarity so it may be 30.6 or 30.1 percent.

 



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FishyJoe said:
Hmm, I'm wondering if they are going to launch the DSi sooner than I expected. These low DS numbers would make sense if they were trying to clear inventory. Perhaps it's cheaper to maintain one production line and they decided to kill the DS lite.

The same thing happened last year as the DS was super hard to find for all of 1-08.  Unless we hear otherwise from Nintendo, I'm going to think the same think is happening this year.  By 3-09 there should be plenty of DSs on sale in America.

 



 

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billsalias said:
BHR-3 said:
billsalias said:
BHR-3 said:

nice we got these #'s so early 360 margin on outselling the ps3 this week might be 45k about 10k less than last week its days of outselling the ps3 are numbered

also something to ponder over the ps3 wit only 52k this week i have a feeling that we'll C some sub 35k a week #'s from it pretty soon that's going to make me feel

 

I cannot tell if you are joking or not. You know that if japan comes up with 24k ps3 and 12k 360 the 360 will outsell the PS3 by about 1 percent more then last week? Yes absolute number look better when smaller but the percentage is still the same. If japan sees a drop it could be an actual increase in the percentage gap between ps3 and 360.

 

wat R u talking about ps3 24k 360 12k thats 12k diffrence the current gap is at 57k so 57-12=45 last week the gap 360 was outselling it was 57k this week it will b like i said even b4 the jp preview was in 45k that is 10k less then last week so how will the 360 outsell it by 1% more than last week   i think that jp will come up with 7k 360 20k ps3 rather than ur 12k 24k

 

Before you start getting all indignant you should try a little harder to understand what someone says. The math is fairly simple and makes sense if you read what I said about percentages versus absolute numbers. As the total sales goes down the gap can be smaller to maintain the same percentage advantage. If 360 sells 10 and PS3 sells 5 the gap is 100 percent even though it is only 5 units. So to layout it out exactly for you:

Last week:

360 = 257k, PS3 = 199k

That results in the 360 outselling the PS3 by 29 percent as computed by 257/199 = 1.29.

 

This week we are looking at 189k 360 and 132k PS3 so far.

With my numbers of 24 and 12 that would result in 201/154 = 1.30 or 360 outselling PS3 by 30 percent, one more then last week.

With your numbers of 20 and 7, we get 196/158 = 1.24 or 360 outselling PS3 by 24 percent, 5 less then last week.

If we average the two you get 198.5/156 = 1.27, or a 2 percent decrease.

In any case not enough data or significant enough change in any direction to indicate a trend.

And before you start calling me on my numbers I dropped fractions for clarity so it may be 30.6 or 30.1 percent.

 

 

yeah watever u say with that high tech math i was just trying to say that the gap the 360 outsells the ps3 ww is getting smaller from were it used to b during the holidays and in the 1st 3 weeks in Jan going from about 85k the 1st week to 57k last week and now down to 45k this week all i was trying to say is that i think soon the 360 won't be outselling it WW weekly my guess would be sometime in Feb or Mar.

Something else to Ponder the 360 only managed to out sell the ps3 by 24k with the 360 arcade being half the price 200$ less than the 80g and the pro and elite being 100$ less than the 80g and 160g it will be interesting to see wat will happen wen a ps3 sku gets down to 299

Something else to Ponder NA # looking really low compared to EU for all three consoles are economy is in bad shape



                                                             

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BHR-3 said:

Before you start getting all indignant you should try a little harder to understand what someone says. The math is fairly simple and makes sense if you read what I said about percentages versus absolute numbers. As the total sales goes down the gap can be smaller to maintain the same percentage advantage. If 360 sells 10 and PS3 sells 5 the gap is 100 percent even though it is only 5 units. So to layout it out exactly for you:

Last week:

360 = 257k, PS3 = 199k

That results in the 360 outselling the PS3 by 29 percent as computed by 257/199 = 1.29.

 

This week we are looking at 189k 360 and 132k PS3 so far.

With my numbers of 24 and 12 that would result in 201/154 = 1.30 or 360 outselling PS3 by 30 percent, one more then last week.

With your numbers of 20 and 7, we get 196/158 = 1.24 or 360 outselling PS3 by 24 percent, 5 less then last week.

If we average the two you get 198.5/156 = 1.27, or a 2 percent decrease.

In any case not enough data or significant enough change in any direction to indicate a trend.

And before you start calling me on my numbers I dropped fractions for clarity so it may be 30.6 or 30.1 percent.

 

 

yeah watever u say with that high tech math i was just trying to say that the gap the 360 outsells the ps3 ww is getting smaller from were it used to b during the holidays and in the 1st 3 weeks in Jan going from about 85k the 1st week to 57k last week and now down to 45k this week all i was trying to say is that i think soon the 360 won't be outselling it WW weekly my guess would be sometime in Feb or Mar.

Something else to Ponder the 360 only managed to out sell the ps3 by 24k with the 360 arcade being half the price 200$ less than the 80g and the pro and elite being 100$ less than the 80g and 160g it will be interesting to see wat will happen wen a ps3 sku gets down to 299

Something else to Ponder NA # looking really low compared to EU for all three consoles are economy is in bad shape

 

High tech math? I used only addition and division.

 

Anyway one more try at explaining the concept. The percentage gap is what matters not the absolute gap. As my earlier example showed, you can be outselling something but a smaller number of units but maintain the ratio of sales. For a simple example:

100k to 150k is the same 2 to 3 ratio as 50k to 75k, which is the same as 25k to 37.5k. So even though the the absolute gap is shrinking from 50k to 25k to 12.5k the sales the ratio is holding so there is no change in the relationship between the two. So in our current example a drop in the gap from 57k to 45k is only meaningful when compared to the total sales for the respective week.  As my math above shows, last week 57k was 29 percent of PS3 sales so if the gap ends up at 45k this week then to maintain 29 percent gap PS3 total would have to be 155k and 360 total 200k. If the numbers work out to something near that then there was no change in the relative sales of PS3 and 360.

As far as the question of what will happen when the PS3 is $299, sales will go up. The more interesting questions are how much, from what low and how will MS react. Of course no matter what either of them do they are not making any inroads on the Wii, they are really only taking market share from each other.



no i get wat ur were saying i just predict things by eye never really pondered it that way i'll try that advanced mathematics in the future



                                                             

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no i do too

 

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Oh wow. Now it all makes sense.