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outlawauron said:
bdbdbd said:
People, Sony has never been a high quality manufacturer. It has been one of the cheap-o manufacturers, who charge more than the others alike. Sony just has been fast adopting new tech in the low cost end. And now Sony is facing problems due to increased competition in the cheap end and it's actually losing to companies that use the excact same methods as Sony did when it was growing in the market.

@Dodece: Actually i belive the reason why Stringer was hired as CEO is, that the japanese can't cut jobs from Japan, but Stringer can.

I have to disagree so much. Sony has made great products, including some amazing TVs.

I think it's better to say that Sony is great at making Grant Hill type products.

Top of the line in talent and ability... yet you never know when they are going to break down and leave you holding the bag.

They're great while they last.... yet they're only great if your the kind of person that likes to rebuy their electronics every few years to keep up.

If your one of those people who likes to have a quality tv that's going to last you 5-10 years... you'd best buy elsewhere.

Great if your a tech enthusiast... not so great if your someone who just needs a new product cause your old one is feeling it's age.



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FishyJoe said:

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04972632-e72c-11dd-aef2-0000779fd2ac.html

Stringer battles Sony ‘old guard’

By Robin Harding, Andrew Edgecliffe-Johnson and Matthew Garrahan

Published: January 20 2009 23:40 | Last updated: January 20 2009 23:40

Tensions are rising within Sony over a restructuring aimed at cutting billions of yen from costs, with Sir Howard Stringer, its British-born chairman and chief executive, pitted against what one senior figure called an “old guard” of managers in its electronics division.

News of the clash comes as the Japanese consumer electronics group prepares to announce on Wednesday or Thursday, the details of a restructuring that was announced in December, including where job cuts will fall.

Managers in the company have told the Financial Times that Sir Howard’s plans to cut 16,000 full-time and part-time jobs and restructure the company have met resistance from executives in its traditional manufacturing business.

The dispute centres on whether products such as televisions have become commodities, in which case, Sir Howard believes, Sony should cut its production costs and rely more on sales of software built into its gadgets. He emphasised the importance of this business in a speech at the US Consumer Electronics Show this month.

There is acute sensitivity, too, about sacking Japanese staff, who believe that they have a “job for life”. However, a decision to spare them from the planned cuts would risk angering Sony’s foreign employees. A manager at Sony in the US said his colleagues saw “a lot of fat” in the Japanese operations.

Sony has already announced factory closures in the US and France, saying there will be five or six in total, as it seeks to save Y100bn ($1.1bn) in annual operating costs. However, it is expected to make further cuts after it has set out details of those plans.

Kota Ezawa, an analyst at Nikko Citi in Tokyo, said: “Sony’s electronics business is bleeding very badly,”.

The downturn would place such severe pressure on Sony’s cashflow that the company would be forced to restructure further, he added.

The long delay since the restructuring was outlined on December 9 has added to anxiety among workers. One Sony employee said that the mood within the company was “black”, while on internet message boards factory workers have described management as “nothing but cost-cutters”.

“We used to get the message: ‘Make a high quality product’. Now we don’t know what we should be doing, except maybe not spending any money,” said one engineer who has left the company.

That sounded like the engineer was talking about the PS3 there. Make a piece of hardware that's pricy and sell software while manufacturing costs come down to turn a profit. They've been doing that since the PSOne. 



"That sounded like the engineer was talking about the PS3 there. Make a piece of hardware that's pricy and sell software while manufacturing costs come down to turn a profit. They've been doing that since the PSOne."

The old give the razors and sell the blades. Part of the problem is they made the razor too expensive to give away this time.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

I don't think the razors are supposed to lose money. I mean how much can it cost to make a cheap stamped piece of metal and plastic?



"I don't think the razors are supposed to lose money. I mean how much can it cost to make a cheap stamped piece of metal and plastic?"

Those are disposable razors. Those don't apply to this.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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@Jo21&Outlaw: I wonder if ten years from now people are telling how great products LG manufacturers.

Basically Sony has high-end consumer products (or atleast seems to have) only in TV:s and games consoles.
Sony has always relied on its brand, the one it gained originally with transistor radios (iPod of the time) and to keep it familiar. And relied also on keeping manufacturing products cheaper. Combining the two, they are able to sell their products cheaper than the competing better product, but also charge some extra compared to competing cheap manufacturers.

Sonys closest competitor, Philips, would propably be in the same situation as Sony, if it hadn't made some radical changes a few years ago, due to increased competition from koreans, which was Philips to adopt the "Würth model", meaning that they don't manufacture anything themselves, they buy their stuff from various manufacturers and just brand it as Philips. And i don't know if this is the direction Stringer will drive Sony, but it is a possibility.

Anyway, in a way Sony has gone "up" due to the higher tier competitors ditching their product lines and new competitors entering.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Jo21 said:
bdbdbd said:
People, Sony has never been a high quality manufacturer. It has been one of the cheap-o manufacturers, who charge more than the others alike. Sony just has been fast adopting new tech in the low cost end. And now Sony is facing problems due to increased competition in the cheap end and it's actually losing to companies that use the excact same methods as Sony did when it was growing in the market.

@Dodece: Actually i belive the reason why Stringer was hired as CEO is, that the japanese can't cut jobs from Japan, but Stringer can.

 

i have 1996 triniton that still works, a 2003 ps2.

so i don't agree they are cheap, just look at their vaio lcd or bravia screens.

My brother has a TV that is older than me in his bedroom right now, I think it is about 30 years old.  It has a different button for each channel (I guess there were only about 10 channels back then).  It still works perfect, and it's not a Sony.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

My family had a Triniton break on us about a decade ago.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

By the way, do know that PS2s are notoriously unreliable?  People were buying two or three of them.



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theRepublic said:
Jo21 said:
bdbdbd said:
People, Sony has never been a high quality manufacturer. It has been one of the cheap-o manufacturers, who charge more than the others alike. Sony just has been fast adopting new tech in the low cost end. And now Sony is facing problems due to increased competition in the cheap end and it's actually losing to companies that use the excact same methods as Sony did when it was growing in the market.

@Dodece: Actually i belive the reason why Stringer was hired as CEO is, that the japanese can't cut jobs from Japan, but Stringer can.

 

i have 1996 triniton that still works, a 2003 ps2.

so i don't agree they are cheap, just look at their vaio lcd or bravia screens.

My brother has a TV that is older than me in his bedroom right now, I think it is about 30 years old.  It has a different button for each channel (I guess there were only about 10 channels back then).  It still works perfect, and it's not a Sony.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

My family had a Triniton break on us about a decade ago.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

By the way, do know that PS2s are notoriously unreliable?  People were buying two or three of them.

 

well not for me =). but using their stuff for years similar priced headsets (sony are better), same for TVs, and LCDs.

from LG (which got good recently actually) and samsung , sony always have stand out when i go compare stuff.



Jo21 said:
theRepublic said:
Jo21 said:
bdbdbd said:
People, Sony has never been a high quality manufacturer. It has been one of the cheap-o manufacturers, who charge more than the others alike. Sony just has been fast adopting new tech in the low cost end. And now Sony is facing problems due to increased competition in the cheap end and it's actually losing to companies that use the excact same methods as Sony did when it was growing in the market.

@Dodece: Actually i belive the reason why Stringer was hired as CEO is, that the japanese can't cut jobs from Japan, but Stringer can.

 

i have 1996 triniton that still works, a 2003 ps2.

so i don't agree they are cheap, just look at their vaio lcd or bravia screens.

My brother has a TV that is older than me in his bedroom right now, I think it is about 30 years old.  It has a different button for each channel (I guess there were only about 10 channels back then).  It still works perfect, and it's not a Sony.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

My family had a Triniton break on us about a decade ago.  What's that prove?  NOTHING

By the way, do know that PS2s are notoriously unreliable?  People were buying two or three of them.

 

well not for me =). but using their stuff for years similar priced headsets (sony are better), same for TVs, and LCDs.

from LG (which got good recently actually) and samsung , sony always have stand out when i go compare stuff.

The problem with all companies like Sony, LG, Samsung etc is that they are jack of all trades, master of none types. For what ever you are looking for you will generally find a better product from someone who specialises in a particular field.

You use the example of headsets, well I'd buy Senheisser any day over Sony's they are a much better built and quality product as they specialise in microphones and headsets. Sony make a decent competitor, but most of their models are style over substance.



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They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience

Sony is a fat inefficient company. They need to make the cuts now, if sony isn't fixed now they'll continue to lose massive amounts of money for the next few years at least. I'm glad they have someone from another country as the ceo, this job for life crap is an outdated way of doing business and needs to stop.