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makingmusic476 said:
vlad321 said:
Hawkeye said:
HappySqurriel said:

In my teenage years I revelled in my own genius and (convinced that I knew everything) declared myself to be an atheist ...

As I grew older and started to realize just how little I knew and could comprehend, I came to the conclusion that it was possible for a being to exist that was powerful beyond our understanding with motivations we couldn’t fully appreciate. At this point in time I became far more open to a vast array of possibilities, and the best way to describe my personal belief is that I am agnostic.

 

Thank you very much for your post. I think it was th ebest in the thread, and it made me understand why 90% of people who posted in this thread are aetheists.

 

I've met a lot more people who start off religious and become atheists as they grow older than vice versa to be honest.

They usually become agnostic. They just don't care either way.

 

Truth. Usually when a child dies, or any other horrible tragedy they learn just how much being "good" did for them. Some just stop giving a fuck some just outright denounce their previous diety.

 



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vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
WessleWoggle said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:

No, it's exactly people like you. The ones who think that they are better and anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs should be pitied. I don't think you realize just how ironic your previous post was. Hate to break it to you but all your beliefs do not apply to us, so please save your pity for someone who actually needs it.

 

Ha! It's not pity, merely disbelief that someone would choose a dark nothingness after death.

I don't know if you misunderstood me or what, but you seem to still be clinging to a stereotype.

 

 

 

It's not about it being convinient. It just is. I'm not about to paint nice pretty pictures with rainbows and unicrons. The world is flawed, no I'm sorry, it SUCKS. People are assholes and suck and will kill each other. And when I die.... it will be just like before I was born. I see the world and people for what they are, I don't try to avoid the truth (cept after death, we don't know yet), the world is far far from being perfect and that's that.

You are right. The world is far from being perfect, or even good.

But, it doesn't mean people choosing an optimistic afterlife is a bad thing, even if, by your account, it is a lie or false.

 

But, for many people, they are convinced their faith is true. I know, other people of other faiths are also 'sure', but that's not the point.
Even I will admit it's hard to believe in anything when humans are capable of so much, and there's a good possibility extraterrestrials do exist.

 

I disagree, whether their faith is true or false, in many situation people choosing an optimistic afterlife is a bad thing because it has connotations attached, connotations which spread ignorance and fucked up thoughts. I disagree because to believe in a optimistic afterlife you have to throw away your logic and wank the faith cock.

 

 

 

 

 

But even if you believe it's false, the people who do believe in it don't. And most of the time they do not throw away their education and logic. No. Actually, all of what you are saying is not only subjective, but a stereotype some atheists (as represented in this thread) that people blindly follow faith, and you have to be crazy to sanely believe in anything.

There are exceptions to every rule, of course. Such as a cut off society. But for the majority of people, they don't live in closed communities, they live in towns, cities, and such. Amoung people of different ideals.

I don't know, maybe that's just my american mixing pot idealism.

 

Oh please, how is it not blind faith when all religions have to go on is words from a preacher (or equivalent) or letters in a book? I believe The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to be a perfect analogy of a real religion.

While this is true with some religions, this is definetly not the case with christianity. The Historical evidence is there.

Whereas FSM is a clearly made up thing in the veins of scientology. So no, not nearly a perfect analogy.

 

 



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FSM isn't even in the same BALLPARK as scientology.

FSM is satirical, scientology isn't.



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Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
WessleWoggle said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:
vlad321 said:

No, it's exactly people like you. The ones who think that they are better and anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs should be pitied. I don't think you realize just how ironic your previous post was. Hate to break it to you but all your beliefs do not apply to us, so please save your pity for someone who actually needs it.

 

Ha! It's not pity, merely disbelief that someone would choose a dark nothingness after death.

I don't know if you misunderstood me or what, but you seem to still be clinging to a stereotype.

 

 

 

It's not about it being convinient. It just is. I'm not about to paint nice pretty pictures with rainbows and unicrons. The world is flawed, no I'm sorry, it SUCKS. People are assholes and suck and will kill each other. And when I die.... it will be just like before I was born. I see the world and people for what they are, I don't try to avoid the truth (cept after death, we don't know yet), the world is far far from being perfect and that's that.

You are right. The world is far from being perfect, or even good.

But, it doesn't mean people choosing an optimistic afterlife is a bad thing, even if, by your account, it is a lie or false.

 

But, for many people, they are convinced their faith is true. I know, other people of other faiths are also 'sure', but that's not the point.
Even I will admit it's hard to believe in anything when humans are capable of so much, and there's a good possibility extraterrestrials do exist.

 

I disagree, whether their faith is true or false, in many situation people choosing an optimistic afterlife is a bad thing because it has connotations attached, connotations which spread ignorance and fucked up thoughts. I disagree because to believe in a optimistic afterlife you have to throw away your logic and wank the faith cock.

 

 

 

 

 

But even if you believe it's false, the people who do believe in it don't. And most of the time they do not throw away their education and logic. No. Actually, all of what you are saying is not only subjective, but a stereotype some atheists (as represented in this thread) that people blindly follow faith, and you have to be crazy to sanely believe in anything.

There are exceptions to every rule, of course. Such as a cut off society. But for the majority of people, they don't live in closed communities, they live in towns, cities, and such. Amoung people of different ideals.

I don't know, maybe that's just my american mixing pot idealism.

 

Oh please, how is it not blind faith when all religions have to go on is words from a preacher (or equivalent) or letters in a book? I believe The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to be a perfect analogy of a real religion.

While this is true with some religions, this is definetly not the case with christianity. The Historical evidence is there.

Whereas FSM is a clearly made up thing in the veins of scientology. So no, not nearly a perfect analogy.

 

 

Thinking there's more proof for christianity than other religions is just being completely ignorant about other religions.



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gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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If the God one is referring to is the western benevolent father God, then in that sense I am an Atheist. If by God you mean some type of cosmic experiment, where everything intertwines beautifully in a chaotic and yet precies manner, then that would be the God I worshipped. It's an existential God. The God of life--maybe the consciousness of being insignificant and yet still a part of something phenomenally large.

In the sense of common conceptions of afterlifes, heaven, hell, rebirth God the father etc. --No I don't believe in it.



vlad321 said:
Strategyking92 said:

While this is true with some religions, this is definetly not the case with christianity. The Historical evidence is there.

Whereas FSM is a clearly made up thing in the veins of scientology. So no, not nearly a perfect analogy.

 

 

Thinking there's more proof for christianity than other religions is just being completely ignorant about other religions.

 

no, just that you believe in the proof of christianity



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WessleWoggle said:

First of all, I never said you have to throw away your education. Don't you dare try to make that connection... I've encountered many religious types who keep their education, just molest it with the god of the gaps...I would never imply that religious folks are uneducated. Just educated with bullshit. But, I did say they have to throw away their logic... Which is true, let me explain why I think that.

Too except anything, that is completely unknowable, is to throw away your logic, for that reason I disagree with you when you say people who choose an optimistic afterlife don't have to throw away their logic. I'm trying to be 100% objective, I am not subjective like you implied. I have thoughts behind my words, believe me, challenge any of my thoughts and I will explain them fully, and attempt to explain why they are objective. I'm not an empty vail of invisible bullshit, I infact spent the past two years thinking deeply and have reason and rhyme behind everything I think.

Many people do blindly follow faith. I've been to church and christian youth groups. Even when I was five I thought the religious folk, even the adults, were dumb and delusional, I felt smarter than them... I was only five and I asked myself, where's the proof for God? I wondered why other children couldn't do the same, those silly stupid arguments I had with other kids really had an impact on my lack of faith I think. Children are brazen and truthful. They didn't have bullshit to back up their faith, like adult people who believe. From my real life experience, many a person fucking chops out their brain with a knife made of holy bullwank, and are blindly following based on faith, or are following based on logical fallacys, falsehoods and other bullcrap. You don't have to be crazy to believe in anything...

But you do have to be dull mentally in one way or another. Can't think at the same level I can. Extreme skeptic. I skepticise myself and everything. Not constantly, but I like to think about things until they reach a sound conclusion that I'm okay with, and isn't biased. Optimistic afterlife doesn't sit well with my objective logic. You have to have a sound reason to believe in something logically, and most who believe in an optimistic afterlife don't have that a sound reason at all. They just have holy cum from the faith cock, which they wank.

You say the majority of people don't live in closed communities and live around other people with different ideals... True! But want to know a secret? The majority doesn't deeply conversate with those other other people about they're different ideals regularly, and don't deeply think about other's ideals regulary, and thus don't have the chance think objectively in regards to their ideals, and therefore remain ignorant in their closed little bubble. You may accuse me of this ignorance I claim upon others, but I've spent a great assload of time conversating on forums about it, spent great time researching and objectively taking a look at various religons from different viewpoints, and have watched thousands of youtube videos about religion. I have sound beliefs rooted in deep thought and logic. What I am trying to say, I'm not a retard on this subject. I know my religious types. I know there's smart religious people, but they aren't the majority, they're the minority. In fact I've only met smart religious types online, all my real life communications with religious people have just been crazy people that wank the faith cock.

So, my main point, I'll say again, to believe(not hope for, because hope is normal) in a optimistic afterlife, is throwing away your logic and wanking the faith cock. Let me explain what I mean by wanking the faith cock... Since I've use the term so much throughout this. It's when religious folk just spew nonsense that is reliant upon other nonsense, and use it to justify their nonsense. People who give bible quotes as justification for their belief as an example, are guilty of wanking the faith cock. People who believe because it just sits well with them, are wanking the faith cock. People who believe because they had a subjective experience that showed them the so called truth, are wanking the faith cock.

I disrespect people who wank the faith cock, to say the least... But I respect their right to do it, and I actually find it quite entertaining to listen to their nonsense, it just validates my giant ego. I hope the lord doesn't mind all the blasphemy over the years... In Christs name, may the force be with you.

so you are saying religious people have to stupid, not crazy , eh?

and for the second highlighted- you don't believe, so you will not receive

I actually went through a stage where I almost became an athiest... I stopped praying, got bored or it.  But there is a place where science and religion co-exist. And now I truely believe.

I don't know, maybe I just find it disturbing that you are just that sick.  You will never get anywhere with your outlook on things as is right now.

 

 



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