vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....   I meant it's kind of depressing for me. And there's no need to be an asshole.   I am a christian. I believe in the christian god. I sin. I'm a fucking human being. I listen to metal, judas preist, black sabbath. I do not blindly follow, I have reasons. But since you decided to be an asshole:     IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GIVE ATHEISTS A BAD NAME. You know what I'm talking about. The viewpoint that religious people are the idiotic simpletons, and atheists are king because they believe in only science. Well, I've had experiences, and if you choose to only beleive in science when science cannot explain everything, go ahead. I do not care, but if you dare insult religion, or christianity itself, you better say it to somebodies face. Right now all you are is a coward.   Wait... I'm the asshole here.... I'm sorry but I didn't start off with "i feel sorry and sad for people who have differnet beliefs than mine." That was you and you are exactly the person who gives religious people a bad name. And yes, religion is horrible. It is THE greatest divisive force in the world, and also the most powerful tool in ctolrolling millions at a time. It is a tool, and nothing more. A tool for the people who know how to use it to control those millions. It is like a literal cancer upon the world, destroying it from within by causing some of the greatest conflicts in history. Basically, the world would have been far better off without religion. And it's not religion, it's blind faith of ANY sort. Religion just happens to be the most widespread blind faith. Marx put it best "Religion is opium for the masses."

You do realize that Marx's plan for that was to brainwash everyone in the world right?

He's not someone who was really... sane.

People just like to buy into his utopian values and ignore that his path to get there is through enslaving the world and then reprogramming people at the very core to act completely differently.

I'm an atheist. And while I'm not anti-religion, but your comment was very rude Strategyking. If I said "I feel sorry for blacks for their inferiority" there would be a freaking riot. How can you say "I pity you" to a person who is perfectly fine and expect that it be taken as a kindness. Thanks pal! Your condescension means alot to me! What kind of reaction do you expect?

By the way my Jewish friend pities you for that dead guy you still think is coming back. See how obnoxious that is?

Kasz216 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....   I meant it's kind of depressing for me. And there's no need to be an asshole.   I am a christian. I believe in the christian god. I sin. I'm a fucking human being. I listen to metal, judas preist, black sabbath. I do not blindly follow, I have reasons. But since you decided to be an asshole:     IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GIVE ATHEISTS A BAD NAME. You know what I'm talking about. The viewpoint that religious people are the idiotic simpletons, and atheists are king because they believe in only science. Well, I've had experiences, and if you choose to only beleive in science when science cannot explain everything, go ahead. I do not care, but if you dare insult religion, or christianity itself, you better say it to somebodies face. Right now all you are is a coward.   Wait... I'm the asshole here.... I'm sorry but I didn't start off with "i feel sorry and sad for people who have differnet beliefs than mine." That was you and you are exactly the person who gives religious people a bad name. And yes, religion is horrible. It is THE greatest divisive force in the world, and also the most powerful tool in ctolrolling millions at a time. It is a tool, and nothing more. A tool for the people who know how to use it to control those millions. It is like a literal cancer upon the world, destroying it from within by causing some of the greatest conflicts in history. Basically, the world would have been far better off without religion. And it's not religion, it's blind faith of ANY sort. Religion just happens to be the most widespread blind faith. Marx put it best "Religion is opium for the masses." You do realize that Marx's plan for that was to brainwash everyone in the world right?

Yeah yeah you and me have had the whole religion discussion before and it all ended civily and I doubt anyone of us has been any more enlightened than before. If we were to start arguing I'd imagine we'd end up in the exact same place before (somethign about The Sims and Matrix....).

No, it's exactly people like you. The ones who think that they are better and anyone who doesn't have the same beliefs should be pitied. I don't think you realize just how ironic your previous post was. Hate to break it to you but all your beliefs do not apply to us, so please save your pity for someone who actually needs it.

I'm all for value-pluralism. Let people believe what they want and hold the individual in regard as to who they are and their actions. I do not think religion is the great evil of the world, I think Condescension, ignorance, and bigotry are.

vlad321 said: Kasz216 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: vlad321 said: Strategyking92 said: I was laughing on the inside because of it It was like a big "f*ck you, atheists!" when the preacher started praying. And since obama is one of the most liberal presidents in a long time, this made it even all the more funny! BTW, everyone who said you are an athiest, that's kind of depressing.   I dunno... I wouldn't be feeling depressed, especially since on average atheists make 10% more money than religious types. I find it far more depressing for someone to be blindly believing in something because others told them about it than not....   I meant it's kind of depressing for me. And there's no need to be an asshole.   I am a christian. I believe in the christian god. I sin. I'm a fucking human being. I listen to metal, judas preist, black sabbath. I do not blindly follow, I have reasons. But since you decided to be an asshole:     IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO GIVE ATHEISTS A BAD NAME. You know what I'm talking about. The viewpoint that religious people are the idiotic simpletons, and atheists are king because they believe in only science. Well, I've had experiences, and if you choose to only beleive in science when science cannot explain everything, go ahead. I do not care, but if you dare insult religion, or christianity itself, you better say it to somebodies face. Right now all you are is a coward.   Wait... I'm the asshole here.... I'm sorry but I didn't start off with "i feel sorry and sad for people who have differnet beliefs than mine." That was you and you are exactly the person who gives religious people a bad name. And yes, religion is horrible. It is THE greatest divisive force in the world, and also the most powerful tool in ctolrolling millions at a time. It is a tool, and nothing more. A tool for the people who know how to use it to control those millions. It is like a literal cancer upon the world, destroying it from within by causing some of the greatest conflicts in history. Basically, the world would have been far better off without religion. And it's not religion, it's blind faith of ANY sort. Religion just happens to be the most widespread blind faith. Marx put it best "Religion is opium for the masses." You do realize that Marx's plan for that was to brainwash everyone in the world right?     Yeah yeah you and me have had the whole religion discussion before and it all ended civily and I doubt anyone of us has been any more enlightened than before. If we were to start arguing I'd imagine we'd end up in the exact same place before (somethign about The Sims and Matrix....).

Oh, i'm just saying.  Marx is a horrible person to quote.

I mean if you actually read what he wrote rather then the cliff notes of what people tell you...

guy was crazy.

He basically wanted to go all 1984 on the world.

"Lets get control of everyone... take everyones kids away... and keep teaching each generation that everyone by nature deserves an equal amount of everything until it completely sticks, by getting rid of anyone who thinks otherwise until it's permanently programmed in their heads... then the government fades away."

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in any kind of supernatural being, god or higher power

Some of my Cliff's Notes also said he even intended to actually use religion to keep the people in line, but again, they could be wrong and I actually doubt those Notes. However I do know that once my World Domination plans come to fuition, I'll erase evryone's memory and make myself the diety of new religion, just to keep the peeps in line. Dunno what i'll do when I croak though.... haven't planned that far ahead. Just give me 50 years, you'll see. There will be flaming eyballs in every book and on every wall!

One of my philosophy profs used to say that he thought Marx would approve of the American form of government more than the Russian form of Communism.

I'm pretty sure his plan was to have everyones mind washed by the time the "Great Leader" died to the point of where no other great leader would be needed again since society would be reporgrammed.

Though that would mean killing off everyone who helped reprogram everyone... and all in all Marxs communist ideals would of been well... the worst crime ever commited in the history of mankind by an unspeakable margin... in the hopes that it would be worth it in the end.

One great final deed of evil to fix the wrongs of the world and all that.  Become the devil yoruself... yadda yadda.

Been a while since i read it... but most people seem to think Marx plan was "The workers will all get fed up and yay!  Everyone will agree that everyone deserves an equal amount of everything."

When it was really "the people will revolt, and the leaders should take control and sacrifice entire generations of people for the good of the world."