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Nirvana, as unlikely and farfetched as Evolution sounds, ID sounds far far worse. And what are the chances of a cell to exist? Well let me put it to you like this. In the grand scheme of things, the chances of me typing this sentence at this point of time at this moment is infinitely close to 0. Yet here I am typing it out, am I not?

As to your Bible references. It is stated that before Earth there was nothingness and god. Where is he to put Earth then? Also, it would have noted the fact that it's NOT empty place, it's full of objects such as stars, and asteroids, etc.

As to the blood one, they noticed that people who lose too much blood die. Go figure... That's also the EXACT reason why people were beld up until 120 years ago. They thought they were removing the "impurities" out of the lifeblood.

As to the circle, people believe earth was a disc, or exactly that, a circle. Earth is not a circle, it's a sphere.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
There are many others out there as well who can at least attempt to apply scientific theory to their claims, it's just the unfortunate few who who have caused the scientific community and other people to state that Intelligent design is bullshit that can't be backed up. Which by reading through alot of the theories I can't argue with them, which is why I tired to provide a different side of the debate.

I mean the biggest reason why I support I.D is that in all honesty, is that evolution seems much to flawed for me to be able to believe that we were once a single cell organism that eventually evolved into a human being with, emotion, intelligence,ect. It's not just the fact that I believe in god, because one could use the argument of god intended for creatures to evolve.

When looking at the human cell, which I'm sure you've heard this exaple many times, we know that for one cell it contains 60,000 different protiens and 100 different configurations. The odds of that happening by chance?1 in 10 to the power of 4,478,296.17. Doesn't make sense to me and I've heard some pretty good explainations. Also I have yet to hear an actual good argument explaining how evolution can exist with the law of thermodynamics. Anyways though, to each his own.

When you say evolution is flawed, do you mean that in the evolutionary view things happen too imperfectly, messily, etc., or do you mean that there are fundamental problems with the theory?  If it's the former, okay, but if it's the latter then the people you got that information from may be mistaken because there is a LOT of "OMG evolution can't explain ___" floating around out there, especially on the Internet, that is just not true (evolution does explain those things). 

As for probability, maybe it was unlikely for something to happen that exact way, but odds are much better for it to happen in some way.  What were the chances that the exact spermatazoa that fertilized the ovum that you were made from would actually win the race? 

For another look at probability, however unlikely it was for a planet like ours to form, the universe is incomprehensibly huge so it was pretty much inevitable.  For chemicals to come together in just the right way, there is a huge planet just sitting around for hundreds of millions of years.  Et cetera. 

As for thermodynamics, there's a really thorough explanation here.  To attempt a short explanation:  I seem to recall a story about someone using the argument that evolution could not happen because of thermodynamics -- the system would be losing energy, unless there was a huge source of energy pouring energy into the earth every day. 



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On an unrelated note, can't you just edit that post and delete everything? That would be better than the way it is now.



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When you're talking about probability, and saying that "the odds of this happening are one in a gazillion" you have to realize that we had gazillions and gazillions of eons, and after a certain amount of time, that "one in a gazillion" becomes "one hundred percent."



The Ghost of RubangB said:
When you're talking about probability, and saying that "the odds of this happening are one in a gazillion" you have to realize that we had gazillions and gazillions of eons, and after a certain amount of time, that "one in a gazillion" becomes "one hundred percent."

 

I JUST said that in my post.... We'll kind of the same.



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yes god is real



Low probability of something doesn't make it impossible. It's existence testifies to its occurence. Imagine all the things that didn't occur with such low odds...like we still haven't found intelligent life on earth.



I have most of my life, believed in God.

But I'm struggling quite a bit with it lately. :/



Yep, in a universe thats nearly infinite (read bloody huge) pretty much everything can and will happen at least once.



I smite all of thee with my destructive post count of terror!!!

Luck I don't believe in that stuff :P

Anyone who does, I'm joking lol