WessleWoggle said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
WessleWoggle said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
WessleWoggle said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
IThe unfortunate thing is that site's like Expelled exposed never let the other side answer or respond to any of the claims or debunking statements that it supports. They use their opinions and supposed "Facts" taken from the other side and don't ask the people from the movie to respond to it.
You have to admit though, life starting on the backs of crystals sounds a lot more out there than an intelligent higher beinging.
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Actually they sound equally valid to un unbiased reader. Your subjective connotations are what makes you find one more believable than the other. They are both equally valid claims, the problem is, I.D. is something you can't test, repeat, and observe, and therefore, it's not science. At all. It's philosophy at best, bullwank at worst.
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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
My point is that i believe the scientific community should be more open to allowing debates because some of these guys for I.D do have interesting arguments and they do use scientific facts to support there theories. You have to take a look at what scientist from that side of the spectrum are saying instead of what the Evolutionists claim there points are.
I mean if there was an equal opportunity for funding as well there would be more room to grow and larger opportunities for testing different theories instead of just pointing out flaws in the evolution theory to explain why it can't be possible.
To each his own though.
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The problem is I.D. supporters that are fucking stupid assholes though on average. They twist around scientific facts and use half quotes and misinformation to make their case sounds like it has any grounds at all, which it doesn't cause there's absolute bullwank when it comes to actual proof of creation or I.D.
All I.D. creationists bullshitters do... They show you flaws in the evolution theory, and say, oh, there's some problem with that one theory, so therefore there's an intelligent creator!!! WOOHOO!!! Big leap in logic.
The problem is the things they point out ARE ALREADY EXPLAINED IN SCIENCE, most the time. I've been WAY around the fucking block watching back and forth refutations of creationism on youtube, and read quite a bit off bullshit websites too. I don't fully believe in evolution, and the big bang, but atleast there's logic and years of scientific research behind them, where as I.D. is a unjustified claim, THAT IS UNPROVABLE.
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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
They'll say well I.D is a ridiculous theory and from their perspective it may very well be but I find it ridiculous that they wont even allow proper debates to be held and at least give the I.D guys a chance to give their side.
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I.D. Is ridiculous to anyone who gives a damn enough to actually look up the facts behind their bullshit.
Why SHOULD they give I.D. side a chance? Do they have a peer reviewed scientific study that show proofs for I.D.? NO!
Can they show proof of I.D., that you can, test, observe, and repeat? NO!
LET ME ASK YOU, HOW THE FUCK, DO YOU TEST, OBSERVE, or REPEAT INTELLIGENT DESIGN OR CREATION?
Until someone answers that, it's not science. At all. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$.
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Lets remember now that Evolution is not a scientific fact, it is a theory he did.
Your biggest problem is that you sound just like every other person who claims they can debunk I.D, from the evolutionist side. When your give answer a statement made by someone you you use swear and use BOLDED letters and expect people to listen as if you were giving an educated response instead of an adolescent rant(or a fanboy rant for that matter).
Honestly if your taking you I.D information off of youtube then there is your first fail. You should check out http://www.frontlinescience.com/. Dr. Kazmer Ujavorsy, has come up with some really interesting theories and below I'll give you some exerts from an article from the American Chronicle as well as a link to that.
"Dark energy, that drives the expansion of the universe, is one of the deepest and most exciting puzzles in modern science. We posit that dark energy is the field manifestation of the parent seed of the universe, just as the cosmic vacuum’s zero-point energy. They all originate from the cosmic seed’s biophoton emissions, which blackbody radiation provides a holographic biofield for the generation of the physical universe. Based on the fact that the biophotonic radiation emitted by DNA is coherent, we predict that the cosmic seed's biophotonic field or "dark energy" is equally coherent."
"The elusive Higgs boson – so vital to the Standard Model of particle physics that it is dubbed "the God particle" – is identical with the genotype of the phenotype universe, and each human genome is its reproduction. Based on this identification we posit that mass-giving is life-giving because the elementary particles that come into contact with the cosmic seed's biofield or quantum vacuum receive their mass and property as a result of that interaction. "
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/18585
Read the article and his site, then you'll be at least able tohave an educated look at the I.D side of the story before making retarded comments like "Do not pass go, do not collect 200$"
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First off I'd like to thank you, I now have a more educated look at why I.D is even bigger bullshit after reading the links you posted.
I'm disapointed that you couldn't argue I.D. for yourself, but then again I've never met anyone who could, they just give me a website link that sways me in no way, and seems to degrade logically and intertwine religion into itself as it goes on.
I do not like your second bullshit website link, it's a prime example of this degrading logic and religious interception I speak of...
First, it starts off with some evolutionist bashing, then gives a false definition of supernatural. Then it bursts into a TON of logical fallacies based on that other unsupported claims it's given, that are themselves based upon unknowns and speculation. Then, by the end, it starts preaching, and even mentions Jesus, goody goody.
The whole thing is one big logical fallacy, it's just so wrapped up in bullshit, but that's beside the point... It FAILED to do what I asked of you, show me how you observe, test, then repeat, the theory of intelligent design.
IT's still NOT SCIENCE. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200$
Please explain your actual understanding of why I.D. is a science. The websites you have given me are laughable with many logical fallacys, and bullshit I.D. philosophy and preaching I've already heard. You're just like all the other I.D. supporters I encounter, giving me a link of something that by the end degenerates into religion. The site you have given me have not shown why I.D. is science. Like I said earlier, it's philosophy at best, bullwank at worst.
I'll write it again:
LET ME ASK YOU, HOW THE FUCK, DO YOU TEST, OBSERVE, or REPEAT INTELLIGENT DESIGN OR CREATION?
The websites you gave, did not answer that, and actually did more to discredit itself as science than it did to prove it. By the way, the sentance was bolded, because it was the main point. You're not my kind of dude, if you think my thoughts are of any less value because I like to curse and make things in BOLD. The fact that you would insult me for it makes me think less of you all ready(I'm sure you don't care what I think of you, my opinion is probably rock bottom already from your lack of understanding of me and the way I think)
PS: I'm sorry about this hostility, it has more to do with I.D. debates from the past than with you. I want to make peace not war. But it's hard when what you give me seems to be bullwank. I haven't read everything off the first website you gave me but I really have no desire to do so because, my point is that I.D. is not science and it doesn't seem your website states any of the observable evidence behind I.D. theory.
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First let me ask you a question, how is 5 paragraphs of ranting considered a good argument without giving a proper reason as to why you claim it is bullshit. You did not address what Dr.Ujavorsy was saying but just claimed it was again "bullshit" without stating scientific facts as to why it is but more or less giving your own opinion.
Read through all of the the articles he had published through that site, he does bring up some interestesting points and claims some of his theories can be tested. I'm obviously no scientist an I have an average understanding of it, but, at that same point I just believe that it makes more sense to me that we were created through intelligent design, instead of by chance.It's also that I believer that Evolution and the support of it is New World Order propaganda but that a completely different subject that I'm sure you don't want to go into.
I don't really consider it hostility I just don't think that in this sort of discussion we need to swear and bold letters to insult the view of one another. Given another subject I'd probably be swearing right back : ) Read through the articles, the guy isn't an idiot, and personally I find he has some compelling points on I.D
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I don't give a damn about DR DOUCHBAG, or his fucking theorys. I disagree about needing to swear and bold, it makes it funner! Hahahahahaha.
I want YOUR understanding and opinion, and I want YOU to tell me these things you claim can be tested. I DO NOT want to read more overdrawn confusing bullshit that is crammed up the ass with logical fallacies. This is a big problem I encounter with I.D. supporters. They can't tell me anything themselves. I can TELL YOU EVERYTHING I BELIEVE AND WHY. I CAN TELL YOU EVERYTHING I FIND BELIEVEABLE AND WHY. You are not demonstrating your ability to do the same!!!
I don't believe in evolution, but I can still tell you the ACTUAL, OBERVABLE, TESTABLE, properties that makes us think evolution is believable as a theory. I.D. HAS NONE OF THIS. All I have to say, is that INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS BULLSHIT, until YOU can show me some observable, testable, proof for it. Also, do it WITHOUT having a billion paragraphs of word twisting and logical fallcies beforehand, like your DAMNED website, and your damned DOCTOR DOUCHEY.
By the way, I'm only heavy on the swearing when I get called on it. You had to push it and mention it again!
Intelligent design is still NOT SCIENCE. DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200$ I just had to say it again.
You say you don't like to think we were created by chance. Well good for you *thumbs up*
What exactly does that have to do with anything we were talking about? Why do you I.D. supporters always have to chuck that in somewhere? It was irrelivant to the discussion, at this point. I AM NOT TRYING TO ARGUE EVOLUTION, but it's MUCH more believable as theory. It has both PHYSICAL and BIOLOGICAL evidence. IT ALSO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHANCE.
Evolution is new world order propaganda? Explain how that even makes any sense at all. I'm not that well adept with NWO theorys, all I know is that everything I've ever read about it is complete bullshit. If there really was a NWO we wouldn't know anything about it. If there really is some giant conspiracy, we sure as fuck aren't going to find out. They have the technology, and if there plan was getting exposed in any way, that shit would be gone faster than you could blink.
You say your guy isn't an idiot. I disagree. I'm an idiot, you're an idiot, and he's an idiot.
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