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Forums - General - Bill Clinton was the worst US President ever.

Lanceuppercut on 20 January 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Bush- No Child Left Behind, democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, relations w/ N. Korea, Chinese expansion, DHS, no attacks on US soil since 9/11, called the housing crisis in 2003, etc. Not bad to me. A lot of stuff is not credited to him b/c of the pansy liberal media and kids who want it now and cry when they can't afford an extra 50c for gas. Ever heard of the Greatest Generation? People have it so easy now. This current "crisis" is nowhere near the level of the G.D. So Bush may have made some mistakes but history will judge. Everyone else cam just hope for "miraculous" change...

 

 Ironic that someone with a Reagan avatar would praise No Child Left Behind and the PATRIOT Act.

In America we created at the local level and administered at the local level for many years the greatest public school system in the world. Now through something called federal aid to education, we have something called federal interference, and education has been the loser. Quality has declined as federal intervention has increased. -Ronald Reagan

You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down — up to a man's age-old dream; the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order — or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course. -Ronald Reagan

 



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Lanceuppercut on 20 January 2009
mrstickball said:
Every president should be viewed under the microscope of what they made and did well after they leave office.

As some have said, Clinton was a pretty crappy caretaker president that really didn't do anything great, or anything far too horrible (although I'd argue he mis-handled his opportunities).

When Clinton took over, the economy was on auto-pilot. We had just finished the Gulf War, and history shows that the economy gets a big boost at the end of a successful military campaign. We were also going through the dot com boom, which saw literally tens of millions of jobs being created in a very short time. Companies like AOL, eBay, and Amazon were rapidly expanding throughout his presidency. The the effects of Reagan's economic policies had not completely worn off yet (inflation was down, taxes were down, GDP was up, interest rates were down, unemployment was down, and read median family income was up).

By the end of the Clinton years we were teetering on the brink of recession. The NASDAQ crashed, the dot com bubble popped towards the end of his recession, and we experienced two nonconsecutive quarters of negative growth. The recession didn't become official until after the September 11th attacks, but the problems were set in motion long before Bush took over.

 



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LordTheNightKnight on 20 January 2009

This thread reminds me of the imdb boards, and why I left.



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halogamer1989 on 20 January 2009
Lanceuppercut said:
halogamer1989 said:
Bush- No Child Left Behind, democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, relations w/ N. Korea, Chinese expansion, DHS, no attacks on US soil since 9/11, called the housing crisis in 2003, etc. Not bad to me. A lot of stuff is not credited to him b/c of the pansy liberal media and kids who want it now and cry when they can't afford an extra 50c for gas. Ever heard of the Greatest Generation? People have it so easy now. This current "crisis" is nowhere near the level of the G.D. So Bush may have made some mistakes but history will judge. Everyone else cam just hope for "miraculous" change...

 

 Ironic that someone with a Reagan avatar would praise No Child Left Behind and the PATRIOT Act.

In America we created at the local level and administered at the local level for many years the greatest public school system in the world. Now through something called federal aid to education, we have something called federal interference, and education has been the loser. Quality has declined as federal intervention has increased. -Ronald Reagan

You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down — up to a man's age-old dream; the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order — or down to the ant heap totalitarianism, and regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course. -Ronald Reagan

 

I prefer the closing of the DOE to save costs.  Education is best done at the local level, however when it comes to NCLB, the have been several key accomplishments such as raising the standards of schools, increasing minority test scores, as well as math and science.  The Patriot Act is essential for todays age.  Of course ECHELON could solely be utilized but that opens another can of worms.

 



damkira on 20 January 2009

Wow.. that's a long list of bombings that were supposedly Clinton's fault.. Kind of a leap in logic there.



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BTFeather55 on 20 January 2009

At least he didn't rob the poor to send the rich to parties in Monaco.



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That Guy on 20 January 2009

i don't understand how Clinton "inherited" Reagan's economic policies, considering Bush I came after Reagan.

Bush I's economy didn't do too hot, as I recall.




SnesTea on 20 January 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Look up community reinvestment act and the effects on this current recession. One name is responsible-- Clinton anyone? Yes and yes.

 

also, NAFTA



akuma587 on 21 January 2009
That Guy said:
i don't understand how Clinton "inherited" Reagan's economic policies, considering Bush I came after Reagan.

Bush I's economy didn't do too hot, as I recall.

Logic left this thread a long time ago, if it was ever hear to begin with.  Once I start hearing people blame the media, I usually stop listening.

 



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That Guy on 21 January 2009

Watch. Once the economy goes up (as its pretty much rock bottom), you Obama haters will say that it was just because of the natural business cycle and that Obama inherited Bush II's economic policies.

Same logic, isn't it?