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^^ Yeah? There was so much different consoles back then it's hard to keep track.



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Domicinator said:

Nintendo will win this generation because they have the most innovative console on the market. They did something different than just "here's your controller, here's your console, here's your game". They came up with a way to make the controller seem like it doesn't even exist, and they applied it to simple and entertaining games that EVERYONE (as in E for Everyone) can enjoy. When 90 year olds are playing your system, there is definitely something appealing about it. (I have several opinions on the quality of Wii titles overall, but that's for a completely different discussion.)

If Microsoft or Sony came out with something that pushes the envelope in the next gen, (no, I'm not talking about the next gen Cell processor, gimme a break) that takes what the Wii did and makes the games even more immersive somehow, then they could easily take the crown back. How about full 3D HD graphics WITH a motion controller AND more games that aren't just for 8 year olds? I think that both Sony and MS have the vision to pull this off, it would just depend on which one does it better. Nintendo is not known lately for their graphics, and that probably wouldn't change much in the next gen. Again, if one of the other two could take what everyone loves about the Wii adapt it for an even more diverse crowd (not just 8 year olds, 80 year olds, and chicks) and make it full blown 3D capable as well as HD, you would have a winner. As long as you could make it affordable, that is.

It would take a lot of R&D to pull this off, and that may or may not be already happening at this very moment, but it's just a scenario. I may be skipping a generation--maybe next gen will be the standard increase in specs and graphics, and the NEXT generation after that would move things along. Who knows? Right now, Nintendo has all the power, and they probably have no plans to back down.

sony essentially  did just that and won 2 generations. I dont see your point

 



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I don't think so, unless Sony and Nintendo both quit the industry. As somone pointed out, Sega never won a generation. Next gen, I see Sony back on top, Ninty second and MS third.



  

Considering this generation has marked the beginning of a truely segmented market, I doubt MSFT will be capable of winning a gen in the near future.  There is clearly a split between casual and hardcore gaming.  Casual gamers have a clear choice of console/franchise and with by rough estimates casual gamers are 40% of the market a hardcore based console has quite a mountain to climb to reach that.  the 360 and PS3 will likely always split the hardcore market relatively closely unless one of them adapts to the market and creates an affordable console that appeals to both consumers in the market.  Novel ideas apeal to casual players and Nintendo has clearly proven that to be true.  I don't see MSFT taking any novel approach to their consoleasidefrom a few niche casual games and network games.  Sony appears to be thinking about it but given their situation who knows if that will ever happen.



If Sony and Nintendo both go under, then Microsoft might be able to win a generation. Until then, the Japanese have this shit on lock.



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Sony kinda got handed the crown with the PS1 due to the weakness of their competitors. Again with the PS2 the competitors were even weaker. I don't really see any more brilliance in their actions than Microsoft. They were called geniuses, but I doubt they ever were. Anyone can play the "Throw money around game", and in those generations performance/price really did count for something.

At this point I would have to rank their chances:

1. Nintendo. (By a large margin)
2. Microsoft. (Already have massive research in these fields)
3. Sony.

So I would say that next generation is as good a time as any for Microsoft to take the overall crown. It seems like a long shot, but most likely even if they do win the next generation, it will be remembered as "How Nintendo snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory".



Tease.

student said:
Does Microsoft NEED to win the console war? The problem is you're looking at it as winners and losers and it doens't need to be that way. For instance, with the Genesis, sega won too.

This. 

'Winning' a gen is so ... highschool.  Winners are profitable and successful.  And the fact that Xbox has grown as a brand this gen (even in Japan) and become profitable, MS is automatically a winner this gen.  You see what I did there?  I said A winner, not THE winner.  Check the sig.

 



offcourse they will the question is when ? :P



I think next generation is a good chance for Microsoft to win a generation. Microsoft quickly took away PS goodies (games, graphics oriented, hardware in general), all that is easily taken care of with money which MS has. But what Nintendo has isn't about money (though they get profits easily doing what they do).

Microsoft is quickly getting Wii goodies too however (Mii-Avatars, casual games, lowest price console, family/friend features and games, nice friendly commercials like the Wii). This is a little harder to buy with money so it isn't going to work this gen just yet but next gen with MS copying both PS and Wii, MS can have a good chance in winning. Also I think both MS and PS is looking at motion control stuff.

Also to think MS can't win a gen ever is weird thinking. MS can hold out much longer than both other companies in any time of turmoil in the world economy. Sony can't afford too many mistakes, Nintendo is too small to hold the burden of many mistakes, MS will just "write-off" xbox mistakes- don't be surprised of another billion dollar warranties next gen.



Unless M$ figures out how to make reliable hardware they will follow the path of SEGA. People simply won't buy unreliable stuff over and over again. 2 gens of crap consoles and it didn't matter how good the Dreamcast was. The same will be true with M$.
That being said, I don't think M$ will make the same errors next gen. Just like sony won't make the same errors.
Final answer is NO. The Japanese companies will always dominate the game industry.