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Kasz216 on 18 January 2009
akuma587 said:
Too bad Jesus didn't even worry gays and didn't address the issue. Its amazing how many Christian people will use quotes from the Old Testament to justify the most ridiculous things in the world but then when you use a quote from the Old Testament that is clearly full of crap, like that people lived to be over 800 years old, they will just explain it away.

Its unbelievable, and I say that as a Christian.

Funny think is the bible even has something in it about that...

After a certain point in time god says Man shall not live more then 125 years or something like that.

Which is...


A) odd... since if you follow the normal historian view of things... people didn't live past 40.

B) oddly spot on accurate.  That's about the max age someone can live... I believe someone hit 122 and that's about it?  I think 125 is the theoretical "oldest" someone can live... like by scientific studies.

 



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Moongoddess256 on 18 January 2009

intercourse with menstruating woman (Le 20:18);

lmfao. Yeah thats pretty gross, but death? lol.



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akuma587 on 18 January 2009
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Too bad Jesus didn't even worry gays and didn't address the issue. Its amazing how many Christian people will use quotes from the Old Testament to justify the most ridiculous things in the world but then when you use a quote from the Old Testament that is clearly full of crap, like that people lived to be over 800 years old, they will just explain it away.

Its unbelievable, and I say that as a Christian.

Funny think is the bible even has something in it about that...

After a certain point in time god says Man shall not live more then 125 years or something like that.

Which is...


A) odd... since if you follow the normal historian view of things... people didn't live past 40.

B) oddly spot on accurate.  That's about the max age someone can live... I believe someone hit 122 and that's about it?  I think 125 is the theoretical "oldest" someone can live... like by scientific studies.

 

EXACTLY

I actually wrote about this in a paper comparing the flood myths of different cultures (what you quoted was right after the flood myth, and in a Sumerian flood myth one of the Sumerian gods does the same thing after the flood occurs, he sets a maximum age limit for humans).

I think the Bible has a lot of profound things to say, but way too many people think they are an authority on the Bible.  Likewise, they love to pick and choose the parts of the Bible they "believe in" for arbitrary reasons.  Why are they eating pork!  The Old Testament says you can't do it!  But wait, Jesus said you could.  But they forget that Jesus didn't even consider persecuting gays an issue as his message was much broader than that.  But what do you know!  They hate gay people!

Its one thing if you are consistent, if you have done your homework on the Bible and are intimately familiar with the historical formation of the Bible and which books of the Bible scholars hold in higher regard than others.  Most people don't even know that a lot of books were excluded from the New and Old Testament, some of which the Catholics still include in their Bible.

People love to think they are an expert on religion even if they don't even read their Bible.  Its obscene.

 



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whatever on 18 January 2009

The reason this is still an issue is fear. The fear that all the gays will turn all of the children gay. That gay people are somehow perverse and if your gay, then you must be a pedophile also.



The_vagabond7 on 18 January 2009
whatever said:
The reason this is still an issue is fear. The fear that all the gays will turn all of the children gay. That gay people are somehow perverse and if your gay, then you must be a pedophile also.

 

Don't forget that if you let the gays do what they want beastiality is just around the corner! People MARRYING DOGS! That's not America...that's not even China.



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The_vagabond7 on 18 January 2009
Hawkeye said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Because humans have a natural inclination towards an "Us vs Them" mentality and the religious right (not all of them, but that's where the base is) views gays as the "Them" of the moment. Like blacks before them, they will only ruin america (and that's god's country!) if treated as equals.

 

Actaully, it was the republicas who freed the slaves. The "Southern Democrats" were for slavery, and they used the Bible to defend their peculiar institution.

 

Forgot to respond to this.


Yeah, that's great that the right freed the slaves, what does that have to do with the modern suppresion of gay rights? Blacks before them is reference more to the 1900s where it was commonly taught in churches that blacks were inferior. The right wasn't always religious, but it is now.



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lolita on 18 January 2009
whatever said:
The reason this is still an issue is fear. The fear that all the gays will turn all of the children gay. That gay people are somehow perverse and if your gay, then you must be a pedophile also.

I agree... I just can't understand how people can seriously think those things.



akuma587 on 18 January 2009

Gays will destroy the human race as we know it if we let them marry! I will conveniently ignore that homosexual relationships have been incredibly common throughout Western Civilization! Greek Civilization and European Civilization (the most influential cultures on our own) did not have a large amount of homosexual activity! Homosexuality has been a myth perpetuated by society, like the Holocaust!



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Dogs Rule on 18 January 2009

Uh-oh @ Ge 17:14 and Ex 4:24. You may take my life, but you will never take my PREPUCE!!!! (lifts sword and charges at Brittish troops)


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appolose on 18 January 2009

Hey guys, guess who it is? :)
I'll give the usual argument that any moral law enforcement is as equally "encroaching" as any other. The ones that stand are just the ones that have the most backers.

@Akuma
While I agree that a ton of Christian-professing people know next to nothing about their own Christianity, you're probably aware of the NT passages that do explicitly state homosexuality as wrong. Also, while Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, he never said anything about child molestation, either.



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