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papflesje on 16 January 2009
kowenicki said:
@ noname

Sony provides not so much spin but a healthy dose of head in the sand!

@pap

get real... do you expect ANY manufacturer or company to actually say where they have done badly? Name me one company that does that... just one.

 

No, I don't expect a company to be truthful (although I would like it to be so), but the point I was making, is that it is only factual by eliminating / withholding information (which - as you said - any company does).

Eliminate enough of the downsets, to create a upside to the story.  The only company not forced to do this, is the one that is at the top.

Therefore, it IS spin



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KatinJin on 16 January 2009

Epic fail my ass. Haha



noname2200 on 16 January 2009
disolitude said:
noname2200 said:
disolitude said:

Im sure nintendo wouldn't dare mention software sales revenue.

I'm with you on the rest, but Nintendo does say this. Repeatedly. Because they've been selling more games, even third-party, than the 360 for a few months now, and they're not shy about saying that.

You may have noticed that Microsoft says "more life-to-date dollars at retail for third-party publishers," thus introducing two big qualifiers: Life-to-date (remember the headstart) and "dollars" (Remember that 360 games are more expensive).

But it's like you said: the purpose of PR is to make yourself look good, so that's why Microsoft is saying what they're saying, while being careful not to lie.

Could be true on those 2 points. But I am not sure wii makes more revenue than 360 for 3rd party publishes even if we dont look at the 360 head start.

I still don't see how wii sells more 3rd party software any week of they year.

Aggregate under-the-radar stuff, I suppose. As I said, the claim of selling the most third-party games has been in Nintendo's response to the NPD for a bit now, and is no longer in Microsoft's (save with the above qualifiers). It seems clear that that's the case, or else we'd be told otherwise.

 



One_touch_KO on 16 January 2009
noname2200 said:
One_touch_KO said:
twesterm said:
It's called spin, everyone does it.

And WoW wins this thread.

The links are already there for everyone with a minor brain, at least one eye and basic english skills.

...excpet that they weren't when he posted that...

Dude seriously, calm down. You're insulting everyone who disagrees with you. Not cool.

 

No I am not. I am just too funnigh :B

 



Darc Requiem on 16 January 2009
noname2200 said:
Zuhyc said:
Is Sony actually still making these NPD responses? I'm curious how they would spin it.

http://kotaku.com/5132280/sony-responds-to-december-npd-sales-seems-pleased

PlayStation by the Numbers - December 2008

PlayStation Brand Staged for Continued Momentum in 2009

Total 2008 PS3 Hardware Sales Up 40% and PS3 Software Sales Up 115% in the U.S.

PLAYSTATION 3

The PlayStation® brand delivered continued sales momentum throughout 2008 with a total of 3.6 million PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) units sold in the U.S. by the end of 2008, an increase of 40% from the previous year. In December, 726,005 PS3 hardware units were sold, representing an increase of 92% from November.

PS3 also generated one of its strongest months in software unit sales in the U.S., with almost 6 million units sold in December. For the calendar year, PS3 software unit sales increased 116%.

* Top-selling games for PS3 in December included exclusive hits Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet, as well as third-party blockbusters, such as Activision’s Call of Duty: World at War, Midway Games’ Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe, and Ubisoft’s Price of Persia.
* Top-selling games for PS3 in 2008 included Grand Theft Auto IV, Call of Duty: World at War and the exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

PlayStation Network
With more than 17 million PlayStation®Network users worldwide and a total of 330 million pieces of content downloaded to date, the PlayStation Network continued to be a destination of choice during the holidays for interactive entertainment content.

* Top three most downloaded games in December included Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, Soldner-X: Himmelssturmer and Linger in Shadows.
* Top three most downloaded movies in December included The Dark Knight, Step Brothers, and GetSmart.

PlayStation Portable
PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) and the Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters PSP Entertainment Pack continued to be popular choices in the U.S. for on-the-go entertainment in December, with more than 1 million hardware units sold, an increase of 143% from November. In December, more than 3.7 million software units were sold for PSP, including popular hits such as Madden NFL 09, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2009 and Lego Batman: The Videogame.

* The PSP exclusive titles Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII and God of War: Chains of Olympus, which both launched in March, were the top two most popular titles of 2008 and sold a combined 1,313,893 units in 2008.

PlayStation 2
PlayStation®2 (PS2) and the LEGO Batman: The Videogame PS2 Entertainment Pack delivered another month of solid sales in December, with a 99% increase in hardware units and 124% lift in software units from the previous month.

* The Guitar Hero franchise sold over 3 million units on the PS2 in 2008.

Power of the PlayStation Portfolio

In 2008, the PlayStation brand generated more than $6.4 billion in revenue in the U.S.

* PlayStation’s hardware unit revenue generated more than $2.5 billion in 2008.
* PlayStation’s software unit revenue totaled more than $3.2 billion in 2008.

Executive Perspective

“The PlayStation brand has had a solid calendar year with total PS3 hardware sales up 40% and total PS3 software sales up 115%. We remain confident in our momentum into 2009 as we continue to deliver to our consumers the best entertainment content and technology out there. And we delivered on that promise this past year with one of the best software line-ups in the industry, a dramatically expanded PlayStation Network with the launch of the video delivery service and the beta of PlayStation Home, as well as extended hardware offerings with the PSP 3000 and Uncharted 160GB PS3 bundle. We also hit a remarkable milestone for the PlayStation 2 platform in North America with 50 million units sold. It’s truly an amazing testament to the power and legacy of our brand.”

— Peter Dille, Senior Vice President of Marketing and PlayStation® Network, Sony Computer Entertainment America

 

Am I the only one that got dizzy after reading  this?



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One_touch_KO on 16 January 2009
KatinJin said:
Epic fail my ass. Haha

LOL, it is your ass. Its up to you using it the way its more convenient for you xD

 

 



One_touch_KO on 16 January 2009
Barozi said:
reported for creating a pure flame thread.
Nice you insulted a mod as well.......

Reported for trolling the thread as being a flame one, when it is a statement of how bad is Microsoft strategy.

Nice I didn't insulted anyone. But if the descreption fits you my friend, I can't do nothing. Peace

 



One_touch_KO on 16 January 2009
Darc Requiem said:
noname2200 said:
Zuhyc said:
Is Sony actually still making these NPD responses? I'm curious how they would spin it.

http://kotaku.com/5132280/sony-responds-to-december-npd-sales-seems-pleased

PlayStation by the Numbers - December 2008

PlayStation Brand Staged for Continued Momentum in 2009

Total 2008 PS3 Hardware Sales Up 40% and PS3 Software Sales Up 115% in the U.S.

PLAYSTATION 3

The PlayStation® brand delivered continued sales momentum throughout 2008 with a total of 3.6 million PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™) units sold in the U.S. by the end of 2008, an increase of 40% from the previous year. In December, 726,005 PS3 hardware units were sold, representing an increase of 92% from November.

PS3 also generated one of its strongest months in software unit sales in the U.S., with almost 6 million units sold in December. For the calendar year, PS3 software unit sales increased 116%.

* Top-selling games for PS3 in December included exclusive hits Resistance 2 and LittleBigPlanet, as well as third-party blockbusters, such as Activision’s Call of Duty: World at War, Midway Games’ Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe, and Ubisoft’s Price of Persia.
* Top-selling games for PS3 in 2008 included Grand Theft Auto IV, Call of Duty: World at War and the exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.

PlayStation Network
With more than 17 million PlayStation®Network users worldwide and a total of 330 million pieces of content downloaded to date, the PlayStation Network continued to be a destination of choice during the holidays for interactive entertainment content.

* Top three most downloaded games in December included Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix, Soldner-X: Himmelssturmer and Linger in Shadows.
* Top three most downloaded movies in December included The Dark Knight, Step Brothers, and GetSmart.

PlayStation Portable
PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) and the Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters PSP Entertainment Pack continued to be popular choices in the U.S. for on-the-go entertainment in December, with more than 1 million hardware units sold, an increase of 143% from November. In December, more than 3.7 million software units were sold for PSP, including popular hits such as Madden NFL 09, WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2009 and Lego Batman: The Videogame.

* The PSP exclusive titles Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII and God of War: Chains of Olympus, which both launched in March, were the top two most popular titles of 2008 and sold a combined 1,313,893 units in 2008.

PlayStation 2
PlayStation®2 (PS2) and the LEGO Batman: The Videogame PS2 Entertainment Pack delivered another month of solid sales in December, with a 99% increase in hardware units and 124% lift in software units from the previous month.

* The Guitar Hero franchise sold over 3 million units on the PS2 in 2008.

Power of the PlayStation Portfolio

In 2008, the PlayStation brand generated more than $6.4 billion in revenue in the U.S.

* PlayStation’s hardware unit revenue generated more than $2.5 billion in 2008.
* PlayStation’s software unit revenue totaled more than $3.2 billion in 2008.

Executive Perspective

“The PlayStation brand has had a solid calendar year with total PS3 hardware sales up 40% and total PS3 software sales up 115%. We remain confident in our momentum into 2009 as we continue to deliver to our consumers the best entertainment content and technology out there. And we delivered on that promise this past year with one of the best software line-ups in the industry, a dramatically expanded PlayStation Network with the launch of the video delivery service and the beta of PlayStation Home, as well as extended hardware offerings with the PSP 3000 and Uncharted 160GB PS3 bundle. We also hit a remarkable milestone for the PlayStation 2 platform in North America with 50 million units sold. It’s truly an amazing testament to the power and legacy of our brand.”

— Peter Dille, Senior Vice President of Marketing and PlayStation® Network, Sony Computer Entertainment America

 

Am I the only one that got dizzy after reading this?

Well, Sony isn't on the top of the wave right now. Just like Nintendo wasn't with gamecube last era. They have to comment it somehow so :/

 



TheTruthHurts! on 16 January 2009

Ahhh One_Touch_KO.......you never cease to amaze me with these threads and posts.

Well, at least you remain consistent.....even if your consistency is in regards to a lack of intelligence in your topics and responses.....(slowly claps).

On topic: If you think that Sony or even Nintendo, for that matter, is innocent of spin regarding the NPD, or sales in general, you are mistaken. But hey, at least you identify if not scream your bias.



phisheep on 16 January 2009

There may be an interesting game here. Working out how many qualifiers a company needs to spin a positive number.

In this example:

What microsoft wants to say is 'we sold more software than Wii'.

And what it said was: 'we sold more (lifetime-to-date)(dollars) of (third-party) software (in the USA)' .

Four qualifications.

That counts to me as a level-four spin.

Anyone else want to play spotting the spin-level?