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Those videos have convinced me to buy Wii Music, down the road.

I'm looking forward to it.



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Final-Fan said:


"Wiilistine", on the other hand, may not have as many people recognize the root word (once explained), but will probably have more people recognize it without assistance IMO, and certainly have more people make the correct association.  (Some people might make the Wii-Christian association, for example, but fail to realize the 'Wii=Jesus' mentality you are trying to imply.  In contrast, I can't think of another way to interpret a Wii-Philistine association.) 

I'd consider "Wii cultist" to be less insulting than "Wiiligious zealot", and also more attractive to people who dislike wordplay.  That might be your best bet, or something similar like "Wii fanatic", etc.  It doesn't really matter, you know, since all your cute little derogatory appellations will utterly fail to catch on, much less have any effect. [edit:  I think others are way ahead of me.]

 Willistine is perfect! Why didn't I think of that spelling?! I have a perfect set of insults now for these threads. Wiillistine's and the Snobcore. It is absolutely perfect. I love the tangents these threads take.



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Gnizmo said:

Final-Fan said:


"Wiilistine", on the other hand, may not have as many people recognize the root word (once explained), but will probably have more people recognize it without assistance IMO, and certainly have more people make the correct association.  (Some people might make the Wii-Christian association, for example, but fail to realize the 'Wii=Jesus' mentality you are trying to imply.  In contrast, I can't think of another way to interpret a Wii-Philistine association.) 

I'd consider "Wii cultist" to be less insulting than "Wiiligious zealot", and also more attractive to people who dislike wordplay.  That might be your best bet, or something similar like "Wii fanatic", etc.  It doesn't really matter, you know, since all your cute little derogatory appellations will utterly fail to catch on, much less have any effect. [edit:  I think others are way ahead of me.]

 Willistine is perfect! Why didn't I think of that spelling?! I have a perfect set of insults now for these threads. Wiillistine's and the Snobcore. It is absolutely perfect. I love the tangents these threads take.

What in the Hell are you doing?



Final-Fan said:
BTFeather55 said:
Gnizmo said:
BTFeather55 said:
Yeah, but I don't like to have to pay $50.00 to have to think for myself. And what you're saying, have you ever heard of the social psychological principle of cognitive dissonance?  It basically says that if you are compelled to do something, then you will say that you really enjoy it more because you want to have a justification for why you enjoy something other than admit the truth about it.
I have done experiments on it in fact. It does not in anyway apply here though. At least not in the way you seem to want to apply it. Unfortunately for you the reason people are defending the game is likely because they actually enjoyed the game. Unless the people here are somehow compelled to respond (which they are not) this is just a genuine reflection of their personal views.
Famousringo said:
Wiistian? That's terrible. Even Wiitard was a better word than that.

Try something that actually rolls off the tongue, like Wiipublican or Wiiligious zealot.

I think Wiiastines would be the best. A subtle play on Phillistines. The added a is needed to make the word roll off the tongue though which slightly diminishes the immediate connection. Still I think it conjures the desired imagery and is far less directly insulting than wiitard.
But according to cognitive dissonance, you can convince yourself that you enjoy something, and not even know that you don't enjoy it.  In effect, if you're working at a factory where you have to work at a very boring task like sticking paper clips together all day and you have to do it for very low wages, you will convince yourself that you really enjoy the job rather than admit that you hate it because by believing you enjoy it, you are fulfilling your own feelings of self worth.

Wiistian is the best word because it rhymes with Christian and Nintendo fans that say that Wii games can do know wrong are the Nintendo version of Christians.  Most people don't know the word Philistines, but everybody knows the word Christian and what one is talking about when they make a statement about Christians.  Wiiligious Zealot is pretty good, but I was trying to be less insulting than to say "Wii cultist" which I would say is about the same thing.

Back to cognitive dissonance?  Very well, let's see what was said last time on that topic. 
--noname2200 mentioned "confirmation bias", the tendency to see the result you want to see. 
--You responded that the major review sites were negative, so it's not bias, just the truth, and anyway you disliked what you saw on the video.

Now, HappySquirrel had made an earlier post on this subject: 
Now, there are very few games which legitimately have 50% of their review scores above 70% (with 25% above 80%) and also have a lot of scores in the 30%, 40% and 50% range ... Now, when you have reviewers bragging about how they are going to trash a game before they have played it the reason why there is such a discrepancy becomes clear.

The reason he was alluding to is of course that the people choosing to give it low scores were biased -- they refused to give the game a fair chance because they had already decided that it must suck, or were simply subconsciously predisposed to be unfairly harsh on the game. 

Moving on, I presume you're pronouncing "Wiistian" as 'Weestchin', since the ending is the same as in Christian.  But not only does that not sound catchy, it also does not naturally make me think of associating it with the word Christian.  I don't know exactly why, but it's true, and if I am a common example, then it's basically just an in-joke that you have to explain every time you use it in front of new people, which makes it ineffective as an insult or otherwise. 

"Wiilistine", on the other hand, may not have as many people recognize the root word (once explained), but will probably have more people recognize it without assistance IMO, and certainly have more people make the correct association.  (Some people might make the Wii-Christian association, for example, but fail to realize the 'Wii=Jesus' mentality you are trying to imply.  In contrast, I can't think of another way to interpret a Wii-Philistine association.) 

I'd consider "Wii cultist" to be less insulting than "Wiiligious zealot", and also more attractive to people who dislike wordplay.  That might be your best bet, or something similar like "Wii fanatic", etc.  It doesn't really matter, you know, since all your cute little derogatory appellations will utterly fail to catch on, much less have any effect. [edit:  I think others are way ahead of me.]

 

      Everybody would understand Wiistian, much like they understand Xtian.



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BTFeather55 said:

Everybody would understand Wiistian, much like they understand Xtian.

Nobody says Xtian, stop pretending that people say Xtian.

Also stop using "Christian" like some kind of slur, what is wrong with you.



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Gnizmo said:

Final-Fan said:
"Wiilistine"
, on the other hand, may not have as many people recognize the root word (once explained), but will probably have more people recognize it without assistance IMO, and certainly have more people make the correct association.  (Some people might make the Wii-Christian association, for example, but fail to realize the 'Wii=Jesus' mentality you are trying to imply.  In contrast, I can't think of another way to interpret a Wii-Philistine association.)

I'd consider "Wii cultist" to be less insulting than "Wiiligious zealot", and also more attractive to people who dislike wordplay.  That might be your best bet, or something similar like "Wii fanatic", etc.  It doesn't really matter, you know, since all your cute little derogatory appellations will utterly fail to catch on, much less have any effect. [edit:  I think others are way ahead of me.]

Willistine is perfect! Why didn't I think of that spelling?! I have a perfect set of insults now for these threads. Wiillistine's and the Snobcore. It is absolutely perfect. I love the tangents these threads take.

Perhaps I spoke too soon?



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I've seen people write Xian, I think it's one of those txt-speak shortcuts and analogous to Xmas.

But (@ BTFeather55) I'm just saying that it sounds weird to me, and I don't think I'd guess what it meant without explanatory context. YOU understand what it means because you made it up, but other people might not.

Even if I'm wrong about understanding, and even if people read the same connotations into it that you want them to (very iffy IMO), it's definitely too awkward-sounding to be catchy.

I would advise you to just let that name go, I know how proud of it you must be, but it's not going to catch on. Then again, nothing you say will catch on, so go nuts.



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BTFeather55 said:

     From what I've read from the favorable crowd for Wii Music. It is a game that you can enjoy if you want to learn to make music and that you must have some musical talent to really get the most from it.  I would expect a gaming site that was reviewing such a game for a general public that might not want to put that much effort into such a game that quite a few people in that mass audience wouldn't have the talent to find much enjoyment from to begin with and that they wouldn't want to invest the time to develop dormant music talents in, wouldn't rate such a game as a must purchase item for most people.  It's like if a company made an accounting software program that would teach you how to be an accountant.  Well, if you're reveiwing the program for a mainstream audience and knew that many of them didn't want to be CPA's, then would you review the program as something that everybody in that audience needs to rush out and enjoy?

 

The entire reviewing system is actually built this way. You do not review a game unless you have the talents and interests that the game requires. You never put a person completely devoid of gaming talent to review a game. The people reviewing sports games should always be interested in sports. Difficult shoot'em up games go to the hardcore shoot 'em up fans for reviewing. And so on and so on. And then we shouldn't do the same for Wii Music? Why?

It's a double standard. Either you review all games from what they set out to accomplish, or you review all games solely on your personal preference. Otherwise it's not for the consumers, it's for a certain demographic of consumers. Anyone outside this demographic is then deemed either too stupid or not interesting.

 



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@thekitchensink: I think there are various reasons.

Now if we take this particular example the topic is about, it clearly indicates IGN dissappointing about them not being able to form opinions for people (media - the third world might), propably unlike they thought, which could be causing some sort of counterreaction. Although, they do get hits this way.

Again, related to the previous point, reviewers thinking they can somehow influence the publishers/developers, which again just wants to put the press to keep some noise (Nintendo didn't appologise us -> we say nasty things about Wii Music. We even pull your mother into it!) to have someone react.

The homogenous userbase, of the games sites. When the users demand in advance "game x" to be bashed, that's what they get. Readers are happy and keep visiting. This of course leads to stagnantation of the userbase.

The advertisers who put out ads gets "better" treatment by nature and even more when they blackmail the sites (as we know the case with Ubisoft).

If we compare today to the time when the primary form of games media were the magazines, the feedback had much bigger delay and people didn't whine about everything. You got angry letters if you really insulted someone, today when you write something that someone doesn't like, you get angry comments on the comments section, followed by dozen fanboys who spam the comments.
Also, as people so fondly tend to remember Nintendo Power, that magazine had only one purpose; to sell more games, so the reviews were written based on the games core functionality, which was the fun factor and the reviews were made to point out the fun in the game. Since it's a foregone businessmodel (today they want to sell ads), they don't have the incentive to make the kind of reviews, but to push their own agenda on what kind of games the platform(s) should have.

@sethnintendo: They don't exist if they don't adopt the new audience, which, btw, is risky. I have one good example how you can fail.
It was 1990 when Nintendo-lehti (the local Nintendo Power copy) started. In 1992, around the time of SNES release, the magazines publisher started another magazine, Super Power, which differentiated itself from Nintendo-Lehti by different page size, not having comics and having domestic reviews. The reason for another magazine was propably to kill the competition in advance, since the market was growing. In 1994, the publisher ran into situation where it needed to end one of the magazines and going by the reader feedback, they ended Nintendo-Lehti (they fucks, Super Mario World and Link to the Past comics were left right in the middle). Not that much after, when PSX was starting to explode in popularity, Super Power was made as a multiplatform magazine (they dropped their 100% Nintendo slogan) reviewing Nintendo consoles and PSX games. Then, sometime after, the plug was pulled from Super Power too.

So, what happened in the above example was, that you went to the direction your customers want, after that went after the new audience only to see that the new audience doesn't have interest in you.
Basically the same situation may be the case with the current gaming media, so they want to stick to their core users.

I stopped caring about reviews when they started to contradict my preferences and the reviews turned into less informative (from the Nintendo Power model) and focusing into irrelevancies outside the fun.

Reviews and scores work very well in certain context, which is the site core visitors and as a score given each game individually, not in the way "this ones better, it has to have better score" (read Rocketpigs "This one goes to eleven" from news section for preference, he nails the issue).



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Khuutra said:
BTFeather55 said:

Everybody would understand Wiistian, much like they understand Xtian.

Nobody says Xtian, stop pretending that people say Xtian.

Also stop using "Christian" like some kind of slur, what is wrong with you.

 

      Too much public education?



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