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akuma587 on 12 February 2009

Yeah, ironically a lot of pro-life people could probably care less about animal experimentation or all kinds of other horrific things we do to living things that unquestionably feel pain. A healthy percentage don't even care about world hunger.

The pro-life movement is pro-life to the extent that they hate abortion. In every other way, they could give it a shit about life. That includes the death penalty.



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monkeyman40210 on 12 February 2009

^right, exactly



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Bursche on 12 February 2009
monkeyman40210 said:

i am both, people should have a chioce but i really do not 100% support it. I am not one of those extremist whom force my views on other people. Animals and other things live and we kill them so because fetuses are living should not a valid point on anti-abortion.

 

 So for your logic since we kill other animals its ok for us to kill each other? Or since we eat other animals, is it okay to now be a cannible?

Man vs. Beast and Man vs. Man has its differences, one being the fact that you should feel more empathy towards your fellow man or woman than towards an animal. That is at least what morals we have been taught to accept.

 



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akuma587 on 12 February 2009
Bursche said:
monkeyman40210 said:

i am both, people should have a chioce but i really do not 100% support it. I am not one of those extremist whom force my views on other people. Animals and other things live and we kill them so because fetuses are living should not a valid point on anti-abortion.

 

 So for your logic since we kill other animals its ok for us to kill each other? Or since we eat other animals, is it okay to now be a cannible?

Man vs. Beast and Man vs. Man has its differences, one being the fact that you should feel more empathy towards your fellow man or woman than towards an animal. That is at least what morals we have been taught to accept.

 

But animals can actually feel and understand pain.  Its questionable whether or not the fetus can feel anything, let alone can process what it is.

So you are saying that life matters but that life doesn't matter?  I think someone is a worse person who tortures an animal than who gets an abortion.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Bursche on 12 February 2009
akuma587 said:
Bursche said:
monkeyman40210 said:

i am both, people should have a chioce but i really do not 100% support it. I am not one of those extremist whom force my views on other people. Animals and other things live and we kill them so because fetuses are living should not a valid point on anti-abortion.

 

 So for your logic since we kill other animals its ok for us to kill each other? Or since we eat other animals, is it okay to now be a cannible?

Man vs. Beast and Man vs. Man has its differences, one being the fact that you should feel more empathy towards your fellow man or woman than towards an animal. That is at least what morals we have been taught to accept.

 

But animals can actually feel and understand pain.  Its questionable whether or not the fetus can feel anything, let alone can process what it is.

So you are saying that life matters but that life doesn't matter?  I think someone is a worse person who tortures an animal than who gets an abortion.

 

Life always matters, but there is a hierarchy built inside of all of us, instilled inside of us. Preservation of mankind is greater than other species for most people, and if you see a fetus as a potential person, who wouldn't fight to save it? Those who don't see it as a person.

 

I was questioning his logic. He said that since we kill animals and other living things, then killing this potential human is the same thing and should be treated the same as lets say, killing a chicken. But we all know that a human life is worth more in our society than a chickens.

 



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chapset on 12 February 2009

pro-death soon we will see phoetus deathcamp mouhahahahahaa



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BeTa77 on 12 February 2009

Pro choice



akuma587 on 12 February 2009
Bursche said:
akuma587 said:
Bursche said:
monkeyman40210 said:

i am both, people should have a chioce but i really do not 100% support it. I am not one of those extremist whom force my views on other people. Animals and other things live and we kill them so because fetuses are living should not a valid point on anti-abortion.

 

 So for your logic since we kill other animals its ok for us to kill each other? Or since we eat other animals, is it okay to now be a cannible?

Man vs. Beast and Man vs. Man has its differences, one being the fact that you should feel more empathy towards your fellow man or woman than towards an animal. That is at least what morals we have been taught to accept.

 

But animals can actually feel and understand pain.  Its questionable whether or not the fetus can feel anything, let alone can process what it is.

So you are saying that life matters but that life doesn't matter?  I think someone is a worse person who tortures an animal than who gets an abortion.

 

Life always matters, but there is a hierarchy built inside of all of us, instilled inside of us. Preservation of mankind is greater than other species for most people, and if you see a fetus as a potential person, who wouldn't fight to save it? Those who don't see it as a person.

 

I was questioning his logic. He said that since we kill animals and other living things, then killing this potential human is the same thing and should be treated the same as lets say, killing a chicken. But we all know that a human life is worth more in our society than a chickens.

 

Wolves and every other kind of animal values the lives of their own species more than they value human life.  Does that mean since the majority of species think that our lives are less valuable than the lives of the rest of their species that our lives are less valuable?

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Bursche on 13 February 2009
akuma587 said:
Bursche said:
akuma587 said:
Bursche said:
monkeyman40210 said:

i am both, people should have a chioce but i really do not 100% support it. I am not one of those extremist whom force my views on other people. Animals and other things live and we kill them so because fetuses are living should not a valid point on anti-abortion.

 

 So for your logic since we kill other animals its ok for us to kill each other? Or since we eat other animals, is it okay to now be a cannible?

Man vs. Beast and Man vs. Man has its differences, one being the fact that you should feel more empathy towards your fellow man or woman than towards an animal. That is at least what morals we have been taught to accept.

 

But animals can actually feel and understand pain.  Its questionable whether or not the fetus can feel anything, let alone can process what it is.

So you are saying that life matters but that life doesn't matter?  I think someone is a worse person who tortures an animal than who gets an abortion.

 

Life always matters, but there is a hierarchy built inside of all of us, instilled inside of us. Preservation of mankind is greater than other species for most people, and if you see a fetus as a potential person, who wouldn't fight to save it? Those who don't see it as a person.

 

I was questioning his logic. He said that since we kill animals and other living things, then killing this potential human is the same thing and should be treated the same as lets say, killing a chicken. But we all know that a human life is worth more in our society than a chickens.

 

Wolves and every other kind of animal values the lives of their own species more than they value human life.  Does that mean since the majority of species think that our lives are less valuable than the lives of the rest of their species that our lives are less valuable?

 

Yes, to those species that do think that. That's why you dont see wolves eating other wolves when there is a tasty human in front of them. Humans are the same, we look out for each other. Which is why I am against abortion. Why take away the chance of life to one who has no say in the matter? Why take away the chance to live for a potential human being? What gives you that right over the right of "privacy" that a woman has in deciding whether or not.

 

I guess if I had a child that had a disorder that didn't let them feel pain, I could kill them? Or am I going into semantics now? There will never be a definite black and white line that says this stage of a fetus' growth makes it alive or not, so why risk it? Why risk killing that potential person for the "right" or "choice" of the mother? Honestly, the mother can be more responsible if they dont want a child. Nothing else in life has a magical "do-over" like abortion and pregnancy. If you mess up and use a strange needle, you can contrive an STD. Same with unprotected sex, or if you kill someone. You deal with the consequences, but the only "do-over" in life is the "right" of women if they mess up during sex? Please, spare me.

 



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akuma587 on 13 February 2009

You are completely misunderstanding the nature of "rights." I don't benefit one bit from a woman being able to have an abortion. I'm not a female, so it does not affect my rights in any way whatsoever. Who gave you the right to tell them what to do? That is a right.

A right is something that affects your interests or allows you to dictate the interests of others. Pro-choice people aren't telling anyone what to do. They tell people to make their own decision. That's not a "right." People being allowed to control how people run their lives is a right.

Ummm...a substantial amount of STD's can be cured with treatment. The minority of STD's cannot be treated with antibotics or an assortment of other treatments (herpes, genital warts, AIDS). That analogy doesn't really work, because you do get a do over on some of those things.

A woman can just give her baby up for adoption when she has it. Isn't that a do-over? She can throw herself down the stairs and have a miscarriage and can't be prosecuted for it. She can eat foods that are more likely to cause a miscarriage. She can drink and smoke alcohol and voluntarily give her kid brain damage. And the law won't do a thing to her.

Not to mention you talk about responsibility. What do you do to be responsible? Have you adopted an unwanted child? Do you do anything to help out the millions of starving children who die every year? Do you volunteer anytime to help out children who grow up in poor neighborhoods so that they can have a better chance at life? If you aren't taking responsibility for this problem, then why are you telling other people to do so. Seriously, get off your fucking high horse. You are no better than anyone.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson