I'm feeling a bit scammed though. I came in expecting a rant, but I am yet to find one.

The OP was pretty far away from a rant really.

doesn't matter..you guys ignore what he's saying..of course he won't win

but he can at least enjoy not getting the shit beaten out of him

sure he may lose, but he'll get some kills first

try saying that about those super hardcore shooters and such..

I tried playing CoD2, but I just didn't like it..I just get head shotted (note that I'm not a PC gamer and didn't play it much..only when I went to my friends house)
I didn't feel like investing that much time into it
and it wasn't fun online

in the end..even IF I lose in Brawl..online is items and random stages..so..skill is less important..luck grows..

smash ball goes to the 'loser' and sure the best will win, but you'll enjoy it, since you're not a total noob

no with friends you have nearly every option as offline, so items off isn't a rarity.

I guess you haven't added any friend codes in brawl yet right? its fully customisable, so items off is pretty much the norm. I have some tourny players added on allisbrawl.com.

I refuse to believe that this is as exclusive to the Wii as many of you think though.

The "super hardcoure shooters" generally aren't that super hardcore. There's someone who is dead on awesome at playing it, but they will defeat you like hell in MKWii/SSBB as well.

The Super Hardcore shooters aren't the main sellers on PC/Ps3/X360. Is CoD 4 super hardcore? Not really. Halo 3? Not by a long shot. Left 4 Dead? Far from it. Team Fortress 2? I'm not even going to comment...

You see the good things about the Wii, and they're correct, but you may be a bit blurred about the other machines.

Let me give an example.

In Mario Kart Wii, I can be so much better than an enemy, that we can race 15 times, and I'll win every race. There's actually several people I can do this with in a normal race.

If you take Team Fortress 2, is anyone going to be that much better than me? No, not by a long shot.

In that sense, Mario Kart Wii is much more for the people who know their way around than the inexperienced (compared to TF2)

What are you saying? Don't you think there are the same kind of COD gamers playing SSBB? How is it a godsend, there is just as much skill required to beat someone down.
Apparently your opponents aren't the same kind of gamer you used to be. What this says about the wii demographic is up to you to decipher. :P

I believe there are hardcore gamers on Wii, I'm just wondering why you think MKwii and SSBB are easy to dominate with little amount of gaming time. All that means is that other gamers aren't even playing the minimal amount that you manage.

EDIT: This is too easy and hilarious, but I have to continue.,,

are people saying they don't like HD shooters because they are difficult? Is the consensus that someone should be able to win without much practice? I can agree that some HD shooters have a steep learning curve (like Warhawk), but cmon you shouldn't expect to win if you don't try as hard as someone else.

I know I'm going to be blasted by someone for this, but I can't help it.

....do you not understand anything I'm saying? I'm not TRYING to get my ass kicked, so why would I be seeking out tourney players?

I've gotta say I first played Brawl in like August, and after 2 weeks i owned mostly.It was probably cuz I was hooked on Melee.my point is that I still have an old charm, maybe it's different with what happened to you.

MKWii may seem a bit more "noob friendly," but if you're put in a room against experts you'd still get slaughtered. The same is true for most games - however, there are fewer people on MKWii that are as skilled, and it has a rating system in order to try to keep the games close.

That's all it takes, really - a decent online that can implement a good rating system. The game doesn't need to be dumbed down for the masses - all it needs to do is pair you up with others that are on a similar skill level. Gears of War 2 tried this, though they sort of failed at it. I'm confident it'll get better in time, though.

edit: My conclusion is, while Nintendo's games may be a bit more friendly than others, the main difference comes in the people you're playing. You may just be playing more noobs in MKWii, due to the demographics playing and/or the rating system they implemented.

no i was just looking the other way while replying >_>

Off the sarcasm, yes, but what you said about no having to play long to beat someone on brawl is wrong, because unless that person is a noob, they will win. Which is the same scenario in "the shooters".