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i disagree i think that exclusivities are important but the price is more important in the end.



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scottie said:
Sardauk said:

I did read a lot of posting from the PS3 union saying that the 2009 will see the return (...) of the PS3 thanks to price cut and a better exclusivities list.

Now, I agree with the first point but not second one:

PS3 exclusivities have limited success so far. With MGS4 not even able to maitain stronger sales than a GOW2, or a LBP or R2 that are unable to bring momentum and helping justifying the price of the console.

More than that, even on the 360, (and except for HALO3 that will reach 9 millions copies soon), the majority of games that generate good sales figures and get 2008 awards are mostly multiplateform games (COD, GTA...)

IMO, exclusivities aren't system seller anymore, it only help generates good sales on a given plateform and maintain fidelity of the users.

 

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Fact is, exclusives do sell a system

 

The Wii has all the popular exclusives, therefore the Wii sells

The PS3 has few popular exclusives, so it doesn't sell

The 360 has few popular exclusives, so it doesn't sell

One problem with your argument is that 1) Wii sales have been selling at a pretty consistent pace (ie - selling out) both before and after those games are released (spikes at the time of release have more to do with increased shipments), and most of those series were available on the GameCube, and didn't stop that console from landing in third.

The other problem is that you can't really say the 360 and PS3 don't sell. The 360 has already sailed past XBox and GameCube sales, and, barring some freak turn of events, the PS3 will long before this year is out. The 360 also still has more platinum titles than the Wii.

With the PS3, the problem is not the games as much as the fact that it has no games that anyone wants to spend $500 to play.

 

 



misterd said:

With the PS3, the problem is not the games as much as the fact that it has no games that anyone wants to spend $500 to play.

 

 

Did we go back in time?

 



Munkeh111 said:
Sorry, have you heard of Gran Turismo 5 and Final Fantasy XIII (Japan). Those are the types of games that are already moving some systems and will move loads afterwards. May I also point out that Gears 2 was not a system seller, it was the massive price cut that made the difference.

I would say there are two type of exclusives in terms of moving consoles:

1. The individual system sellers.
This category probably only includes the Mario games, GT, FF, MGS and Halo. These games alone can make somebody buy a console. The sales due to these games will not just happen at launch, but I bet people bought PS3s the holiday before MGS 4 for MGS 4, if it weren't for MGS 4, they would have got the Xbox that holiday

2. The games that add to these
Games like Uncharted are just added reasons to buy the console. Very very few people would just buy the console for the one game, but for the large number of exclusive titles, or just on top of GT or FF or something like that.

 

 Why would someone buy a console today to play two games that may not even come out this calendar year? It's not as if the PS3 is going to be hard to find later, or that we don't expect improved/value-added models to appear, or that we don't expect the price to drop before these games see daylight.



AE86 said:
misterd said:
 

With the PS3, the problem is not the games as much as the fact that it has no games that anyone wants to spend $500 to play.

 

 

Did we go back in time?

 

$400 PS3 + Game + Tax



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misterd said:
AE86 said:
misterd said:
 

With the PS3, the problem is not the games as much as the fact that it has no games that anyone wants to spend $500 to play.

 

 

Did we go back in time?

 

$400 PS3 + Game + Tax

$487.



Honestly, the reason why the Playstation and PS2 were so dominant was because they had virtually 100% of all the major third party games and they were also up against incompetent competetion. 

Back in the 90s/early 2000s they were the only "cool" game manufacturer, the only one that marketed well, they had a headstart with both the PS1 and PS2 over Nintendo, and they were easily able to pick apart their competitors. 

Now ... things aren't so simple. Nintendo actually gone from having the worst mindshare/marketing to having the most. Liv Tyler plays DS, Obama is bringing a Wii to the Whitehouse, parents love it, women love it, etc. it's on the Oscars, on the Colbert Report, everyone is talking about it.

Microsoft markets just as aggressively Sony does and to the exact same audience. They challenge Sony and make them work for every exclusive they can get and try to one up them on every feature (GTAIV downloadable content for instance). MS has arguably usurped Playstation as the "hardcore" console of choice in the West. 

Things change. The competetion -- give them credit are much, much, tougher than the N64s or Dreamcasts or Saturns of yester-year. As a result Sony's grip on third parties has also fallen apart without the user base, they are like a pitbull without any teeth anymore. 

Even if the PS3 was cheaper, it would still be in very tough versus Nintendo and Microsoft simply because those two companies have learned from their defeats. The PS3 and PSP are the first time Sony has faced competitors that really had their act together -- and lo and behold they're not so invincible. 



i think a price cut help.... wasnt the ps3 outselling the 360 without many games before pricecut?



scottie said:
You guys honestly believe that the Wii is selling for any reason other than it having the game lineup that most gamers prefer

 

yeah.. it's called price. you'd have to be pretty ignorant to ignore it.

The Wii was by far the cheapest console upon release, which in turn helped it gain steam/momentum and popularity.

bottom line is that it takes 3 things to sell a system.

1. Pricing

2. Marketing

3. Software lineup.

anyone that thinks only one of these are enough to be a top selling console needs a reality check.

Unfortunatly for Sony, they are JUST starting to get number 3 (and perhaps number 2) down.



bbsin said:
scottie said:
You guys honestly believe that the Wii is selling for any reason other than it having the game lineup that most gamers prefer

 

yeah.. it's called price. you'd have to be pretty ignorant to ignore it.

The Wii was by far the cheapest console upon release, which in turn helped it gain steam/momentum and popularity.

bottom line is that it takes 3 things to sell a system.

1. Pricing

2. Marketing

3. Software lineup.

Unfortunatly for Sony, they are JUST starting to get number 3 (and perhaps number 2) down.

 

Problem is Nintendo threw everyone a curve ball by changing the playing field. Competing against Nintendo, Sony might as well be a basketball player trying to play ice hockey. 

Sony is competing against Microsoft, but Microsoft is a pretty fierce contender. They match Sony almost feature for feature, pay companies for exclusives, using Sony's old tactics against them, and have been very successful in gaining support among the hardcore gaming and taking that away from Sony. 

Price is a factor, but it's only one. The GameCube was cheaper than the other two and it had some good games, surely that should have at least made it competitive?

It was easier for Sony back in the days when Nintendo and Sega would just make huge blunders and Sony could just swoop in and take marketshare unmolested. Times have changed.