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elprincipe said:
sinha said:

 

Which specific years was there a balanced budget during the Clinton administration? Was it for the entire eight years? Or was it only after a Republican Congress was swept into power and enacted The Fiscal Responsibility Act in early 1996 as part of their Contract with America?


Neither; there never was a balanced budget.  There were projections it would be "balanced," if by "balanced" you mean not including the money they take out of the Social Security surplus every year that supposedly will be paid back later (yeah right).

Bottom line, kiddies: don't depend on the government to take care of you when you retire (or at any time, for that matter). 


Um, what do you believe they should do with the social security surplus? Just put it in a vault somewhere? Where it won't get interest?



stof said:
*walks into thread, sees political rants* What the hell happened to this thread?

This is all I'm ever going to say about Politics on here.

George Bush is an idiot manchild who plunged his country into crippling deficits and an inescapable quagmire in Iraq. He wouldn't have a leg to stand on at a war crimes tribunal let alone an impeachment trial and your country will take years if not decates just to pick up the shattered pieces he's left in his wake.

Well now that we've got that out of our system, the Wii's still doing fantastic. And with major games on the way, those sales will shoot even higher soon.

The rest of the world hates and fears America.  The '94 contract with Americ/post-911 counter revolution was even scarier to me, living here.  I am glad to see a shift away from "moralism" in international affairs, but the American people are voting against right wingers (in favor of more moderate reps and dems) for the wrong reasons.  They don't like seeing the budget problems and losing the war, but don't seem to care that the government is listening in on their phone calls without warrants and suspending habeus corpus for "enemy combatants"... what ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?  I am seriously considering moving to another country as soon as I gradutate from college.

On topic: I too find it amazing that the Wii has been selling so well on the power of Mario Party and the Wii-series.  Can't wait to see what happens once more "real games" are out.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Sqrl said:
souixan,

I don't even see why you brought up political issues on a thread having nothing to do with Bush and very little to do with macro-economics of the US. But even worse, right now it appears you have built your beliefs on a foundation of television propaganda and little to no real data or facts. And you were hoping to make people believe the way you do based on what?



I didn't initially I said it as a joke, people took it serious so I just explained my reasoning. I wasn't trying to start a discussion on political issues, which is why in the first post I mentioned it only in passing no details or any arguements or links. If I was truely trying to argue it I would have definatly gotten a lot of resources to back it up. I have a bunch of links to industry growth per job field etc It's not political I didn't want to get political I was stating a fact. More people are buying on credit. The stock market just dropped about 300 points in a few days due to MANY mortgages falling out because banks took people for more then they could afford.  You know what I'm just done, I'm out, not trying to debat just trying to give my reason for the off color joke.
Sorry if a bit off off beat humor turned into such a debat wasn't my intent.

 



sinha said:
famousringo said:
 

Yeah, I wouldn't go looking to the White House for accurate economic data. "Real After-Tax Per Capita Personal Income Has Risen" is code for "Bush made a lot of tax cuts." Given that those tax cuts are a major reason for the huge deficit in the huge US Federal budget...

Yeah, the government just makes up everything dood! Diebold Halliburton Enron Katrina Guantanamo 9/11 conspiracy!

From the 07/16/07 Economist: "Yet they have one weapon: the surprising strength of tax revenues, which have cut the budget deficit far quicker than anyone expected. The latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office show a budget deficit perhaps as low as $150 billion (though it could be as high as $200 billion) at the end of the year, just over 1% of GDP—less than at the end of Mr Clinton’s first term."

I can't find the graph online but the CBO predicts the budget deficit will shrink dramatically over the next 3-4 years because of increased tax revenues.

B-b-but tax cuts by-definition evil right?? Jon Stewart said so on the Daily Show and he was totally sarcastic and pretentious and the audience laughed at his snarky comments so it must be true. A tax cut leading to... econmic growth... increased tax revenues... deficit reduction: that's unpossible! Unprecedented in the annals of economic history!

Again, why are people discussing economics in a video game forum? But as long as they are... people should go subscribe to The Economist and rent The Commanding Heights. But if you're not an expert you can always leave the economics to U of Chicago Nobel Prize Winners.


You're a pretty rabid little attack dog aren't you? Any other words you'd like to put in my mouth or straw men you'd like to push over? 

 Nobody said anything about tax cuts being evil except you. Nobody mentioned Katrina or 9/11 except you. You completely ignored the point of the text you quoted, which was simply that real wages and after-tax real wages are two different things, the main difference being that after-tax real wages are more effected by changes in tax rates than actual changes in wages. That 11% percent number looks really good, which is why the White House published it, until you realize that it's just borrowed money which will eventually have to be paid back with taxes.

Tax cuts can be great for stimulating the economy, depending on how they're made and the general economic situation, but they don't always work, especially if you can't afford to sustain them.

 That's all I have to say about that. If you'd like to argue against more of your imaginary opponents, go right ahead.



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z64dan said:
elprincipe said:
sinha said:

 

Which specific years was there a balanced budget during the Clinton administration? Was it for the entire eight years? Or was it only after a Republican Congress was swept into power and enacted The Fiscal Responsibility Act in early 1996 as part of their Contract with America?


Neither; there never was a balanced budget. There were projections it would be "balanced," if by "balanced" you mean not including the money they take out of the Social Security surplus every year that supposedly will be paid back later (yeah right).

Bottom line, kiddies: don't depend on the government to take care of you when you retire (or at any time, for that matter).


Um, what do you believe they should do with the social security surplus? Just put it in a vault somewhere? Where it won't get interest?


1. I would prefer to fundamentally change Social Security, but that's a different conversation.

2. I never said put it in a vault.  Obviously it should be grown in some sort of investment.  But currently and as has been for quite a while the government just spends it on current needs so they can say the fiscal deficit is that much lower.  Of course, this can't continue for too much longer since in the near future SS will go into deficit itself, which is again another conversation (a frightening one if you don't like high taxes and reduced benefits). 



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elprincipe said:
souixan said:
 

No, I'm implying that since Bush got elected President of America, the dollar was weakened vs every currency and average pay went down. On top I am implying more people buy on credit to which the stock market is also in poor shape(check it out) In addition sales have dropped vastly so stores start holiday promotion much earlier. That's what I'm implying, not placing blame simply using him as a marker for the statement I wasn't going to go deeper into it but that's the basic idea and any news channel will/should tell you basically the same stuff.

It was a simple statement meant as satire I'm sad that people don't think before they attack the statement which IS absolutly true. Christmas promotions seem to start 1 month earlier then they used to. I'm seeing back to school stuff in July, never used to see it till August. I saw Christmas displays last year DURING halloween, never used to see them till at least around Thanksgiving...I'm sure there's many factors in this but I'll be damned if a President who uses mass ammounts of money fighting a war isn't at least somewhat of a mark to why the dollar is being devalued(he's borrowing it..)


This is probably a bad idea to continue this discussion, however...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/

"Real After-Tax Per Capita Personal Income Has Risen By 11.4 Percent – An Average Of Over $3,400 Per Person – Since President Bush Took Office."

"Real Wages Rose 1.3 Percent Over The 12 Months Ending In June. This is faster than the average rate during the 1990s, and it means an extra $782 in the past year for a family with two average wage earners."

Of course, this is taken from the White House website; you may have a source that contradicts that, but it's what the government says.

As for currency valuation, obviously the dollar has fallen against some currencies, most notably the euro.

Your stock market claim makes no sense since just a couple weeks ago the market was at an all-time high.

As for Christmas, it's the stores making their own decisions to start Christmas sales earlier and earlier, put decorations up earlier and earlier, and it's not dependent on the economy. This is a long-term pattern that has been in place long before Bush entered office and will continue after he leaves most likely. Once upon a time you wouldn't see Christmas stuff until after Thanksgiving, but now you see it before Halloween. I guess September isn't too far away...Columbus Day Christmas sale or Labor Day Christmas decorations anyone? It's ridiculous, of course, but your assessment of blame is equally ridiculous.

EDIT:  Forgot you also made a ridiculous claim about consumer spending and a claim about debt (specifically credit card debt).  Although the crazy debt levels in the U.S. are plain, your "sales have dropped" tack was pretty nuts.  Go here:

http://www.bls.gov/cex/csxann05.pdf

2003-->2004 consumer spending up 6.3%

2004-->2005 consumer spending up 6.9% 

So the Average has gone up.  However what has happened to the Median of real wages? (Serious question)

Averages are meaningless when it comes to real wages.  The only stat that matters when comparing rising and lowering wages is the median average.  Anyone who knows anything about economics or statistics should know why.



Kasz216 said:
elprincipe said:
souixan said:
 

No, I'm implying that since Bush got elected President of America, the dollar was weakened vs every currency and average pay went down. On top I am implying more people buy on credit to which the stock market is also in poor shape(check it out) In addition sales have dropped vastly so stores start holiday promotion much earlier. That's what I'm implying, not placing blame simply using him as a marker for the statement I wasn't going to go deeper into it but that's the basic idea and any news channel will/should tell you basically the same stuff.

It was a simple statement meant as satire I'm sad that people don't think before they attack the statement which IS absolutly true. Christmas promotions seem to start 1 month earlier then they used to. I'm seeing back to school stuff in July, never used to see it till August. I saw Christmas displays last year DURING halloween, never used to see them till at least around Thanksgiving...I'm sure there's many factors in this but I'll be damned if a President who uses mass ammounts of money fighting a war isn't at least somewhat of a mark to why the dollar is being devalued(he's borrowing it..)


This is probably a bad idea to continue this discussion, however...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/economy/

"Real After-Tax Per Capita Personal Income Has Risen By 11.4 Percent – An Average Of Over $3,400 Per Person – Since President Bush Took Office."

"Real Wages Rose 1.3 Percent Over The 12 Months Ending In June. This is faster than the average rate during the 1990s, and it means an extra $782 in the past year for a family with two average wage earners."

Of course, this is taken from the White House website; you may have a source that contradicts that, but it's what the government says.

As for currency valuation, obviously the dollar has fallen against some currencies, most notably the euro.

Your stock market claim makes no sense since just a couple weeks ago the market was at an all-time high.

As for Christmas, it's the stores making their own decisions to start Christmas sales earlier and earlier, put decorations up earlier and earlier, and it's not dependent on the economy. This is a long-term pattern that has been in place long before Bush entered office and will continue after he leaves most likely. Once upon a time you wouldn't see Christmas stuff until after Thanksgiving, but now you see it before Halloween. I guess September isn't too far away...Columbus Day Christmas sale or Labor Day Christmas decorations anyone? It's ridiculous, of course, but your assessment of blame is equally ridiculous.

EDIT: Forgot you also made a ridiculous claim about consumer spending and a claim about debt (specifically credit card debt). Although the crazy debt levels in the U.S. are plain, your "sales have dropped" tack was pretty nuts. Go here:

http://www.bls.gov/cex/csxann05.pdf

2003-->2004 consumer spending up 6.3%

2004-->2005 consumer spending up 6.9%

So the Average has gone up. However what has happened to the Median of real wages? (Serious question)

Averages are meaningless when it comes to real wages. The only stat that matters when comparing rising and lowering wages is the median average. Anyone who knows anything about economics or statistics should know why.


Good question.  Obviously, the average can be influenced by things such as executives earning $100 million per year while others earn $8/hr, so median is a better way to look at things.  So let's do that.

http://www.bls.gov/ncs/ocs/sp/ncbl0910.pdf

June 2006 median =  $16.39/hr and $33,634/yr

Unfortunately, I can't find these stats on the .pdf files for previous years...perhaps I missed something?  Maybe you could take a look. 



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