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vlad321 on 09 January 2009
jammy2211 said:
vlad321 said:
jammy2211 said:
vlad321 said:

Hey, I'm all for ood games selling well and bad ones not, and that does mostly happen on the PC. In fact it's the consoles that get plagued by exactly what you mentioned, good games getting miserable sales (okami, zack and wiki, etc.) while the mediocre game get sky-high sales (cough halo 3 cough).

 

 Erm, that was all you could reply from my post? Other then the inevitable someone explaining how Zack and WIki far surpassed anything near what you could expect it to sell....

... yeah that's about it. You didn't give much to reply to, just that I guess you concede you're pseudo-reality of a PC market as this amazing market of quality and profitability is just that, a dream, which isn't possible. Wow, I really can't string much more together for this reply.

 Er yeah, hi.

I just didn't find anything to reply to other than your good games not selling point. You also fail to realize great games on the PC don't have to have huge budgets. Look at Portal for example, it wass done by a handful of college students, then VALVe hired them and they put the Source engine on top of their old design. I'm sorry, but somehow I doubt a handful of college students managed to put out the masssive money sink you seem to talk of so much.... Another example, look at WoW, when it realesed its graphics were already subpar based on competitors (EQ2) yet look at where it's at now. I want good games, and you seem to equate good games with high budgets. Sorry if that's your state of mind....

 

 Pretty much everything I eluded to was based off of what you fed me.

 But yeah, two examples of really successful games is er, great. Thanks 0_o. Especially WoW, I bet that was really cheap to develope, what with it's 5 year development cycle and extensive testing. High risk? Not at all! High budget? Never!

 So er yeah, PC relies on consoles at the moment, and your made up idea of a world where PC can survive on it's own and still get the support it gets today is just, CrAzY.

 

Yeah, at the moment. When there are no more exclusive PC games... It was doing jsut fine before consoles this gen came along and ruined it, it was just fine and sustainable. Also I was refering to WoW when compared to its competitors it was rather cheap to develop. Also, 2 examples is 2 more then I can think of on the consoles anyhow.... If you haven't noticed the recent PC exclusives have been doing just fine with themselves. Haven't seen any sinking ships or anything.... Except for Hellgate:London, but that's an example of what SHOULD happen to bad games.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

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vlad321 on 09 January 2009
Khuutra said:
vlad321 said:
salaminizer said:

I don't get it.. Baldur's Gate is better than both anyway..

 

Truth. Baldur's Gate 2 was even better than BG1.

#Khuutra

KOTOR2> KOTOR1? That's epic fail....

I would say quite the opposite. Except for the small matter of being technically sound (and really, if you enjoy Fallout you're not allowed to bitch about that), Sith Lords was better than the original in every measurable way.

It's not that... It's just that KOTOR 2 might ass well have been shipped with KOTOR1, or as an expansion/mod/conversion pack.... It was just waaaay too similar for me to admit it as a new game.

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Khuutra on 09 January 2009
vlad321 said:
Khuutra said:
vlad321 said:
salaminizer said:

I don't get it.. Baldur's Gate is better than both anyway..

 

Truth. Baldur's Gate 2 was even better than BG1.

#Khuutra

KOTOR2> KOTOR1? That's epic fail....

I would say quite the opposite. Except for the small matter of being technically sound (and really, if you enjoy Fallout you're not allowed to bitch about that), Sith Lords was better than the original in every measurable way.

It's not that... It's just that KOTOR 2 might ass well have been shipped with KOTOR1, or as an expansion/mod/conversion pack.... It was just waaaay too similar for me to admit it as a new game.

You cannot be serious. There has never been a more thematically different sequel than the Sith Lords. It was everything that the original was pretending to be, only moreso.



vlad321 on 09 January 2009
Khuutra said:
vlad321 said:
Khuutra said:
vlad321 said:
salaminizer said:

I don't get it.. Baldur's Gate is better than both anyway..

 

Truth. Baldur's Gate 2 was even better than BG1.

#Khuutra

KOTOR2> KOTOR1? That's epic fail....

I would say quite the opposite. Except for the small matter of being technically sound (and really, if you enjoy Fallout you're not allowed to bitch about that), Sith Lords was better than the original in every measurable way.

It's not that... It's just that KOTOR 2 might ass well have been shipped with KOTOR1, or as an expansion/mod/conversion pack.... It was just waaaay too similar for me to admit it as a new game.

You cannot be serious. There has never been a more thematically different sequel than the Sith Lords. It was everything that the original was pretending to be, only moreso.

Yeah but.... mechanics were just barely upped. I mean yeah a new story and all that good stuff, but don't expansions usually do that anyhow?

 



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

AE86 on 09 January 2009

I wonder how the 2009 exclusives will sell! :P



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Khuutra on 09 January 2009
vlad321 said:

Yeah but.... mechanics were just barely upped. I mean yeah a new story and all that good stuff, but don't expansions usually do that anyhow?

No. Mechanics are the least of what made Knights of the Old Republic great - the d20 system is old indeed.