ok in that case take out the 600k from Australia and add the 1000k from other europe i did not count, and south africa is in others, but also part of EMUE.

so now VGC has it at 8.7 mil sellthough compared to 8 million shipped.

what about South America, this belongs to others as well I think, but I am not sure.

But they stated they are 1 million in front of the PS3. This is where VGC is point on. According to VGC there is a 1.5 million difference. So this difference is 1 million for EMEA and 500k for Australia, New Zealand, China, India, Korea and maybe South America.

So if the Xbox360 is overtracked, the PS3 is as well.

VGChartz appears to have overtracked. Even subtracting Australia, and all of "other", 360 is at 8.4m according to VGChartz. Thats for UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Scandinavia and "other Europe."

EMEA region includes: UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic, Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, South Africa, and UAE

And since, at the very least, South Africa and UAE would be part of "other" and not "other Europe," that means a part of the 1.6m "other" number is also included in this 8m.

 rounding must have gotten me to 8.7 mil I guess, but the same basic Idea, doesn't vgc figure  1 mil WW shipped over sold for HS? Now this is after cmas so that might be less than 500k WW, but that means maybe 200-300k for this Euro number are not even sold as of Dec 1.

Because your assuming a lot of things here:

• Assuming it's shipped, and not sold (press release cited MS estimates via GfK - which means they are estimating sellthrough, and not shipping data - Why cite GfK if your needing shipment data, which you control?)
  
• Assuming 8 million means exactly 8,000,000 sold

Your the one spinning the data. The data was being cited as from GfK through Microsoft, and not Microsoft's PR wing alone.

LONDON - 5th January 2009: Xbox® today revealed sales data showing Christmas 2008 was the biggest sales period ever in the brand’s six-year European history, with sales of Xbox 360™ almost double those of Christmas 2007[1]. Eight million Xbox 360 consoles have been sold in Europe, the Middle East and Africa (EMEA)[2] up to the end of 2008, widening its lead over PlayStation 3 in the region to more than one million and setting the scene for further growth in 2009.

GfK-ChartTrack data shows that Xbox 360 was the fastest-growing console of 2008, with sales in the fourth quarter of 2008 over double that of the same period in 2007, spurred on by a mix of value, great games and entertainment, and the recently-launched New Xbox Experience.

Chris Lewis, Regional Vice President, Interactive Entertainment Business EMEA, said: “Christmas 2008 was a resounding success for Xbox 360. 2008 saw us grow faster than any of our competitors and we over-achieved in sales during the crucial Christmas selling period. We reduced the entry-level Xbox 360 ERP in September, understanding the need for great value, and European consumers have responded enthusiastically. With eight million consoles sold since we launched, and consistently out-selling PlayStation 3 in EMEA, we’re poised to build on this success in 2009. This success was only possible through our partnerships with retail and with publishers, with whom we’ve worked closely to build a strong ecosystem in the region and to bring value to our shared customer base. As we move into 2009 and an uncertain economic climate, we continue to be committed to offering the right blend of gaming and entertainment experiences at the right price.”

Nick Gibson, Founding Analyst, Games Investor Consulting, said: “Microsoft appears to have enjoyed an excellent end to 2008 in Europe. According to GFK Chart Track data, the Xbox 360 recorded in excess of 100% growth in December sales compared to 2007 across the UK, France, Italy, Germany and Spain, well ahead of any other console. It also recorded comfortably the highest rate of year-on-year growth for the final quarter of 2008 overall.”

Nick Parker, Founder and Games Analyst, Parker Consulting, said: “I have seen early returns for the December 2008 sales data indicating that Xbox 360 has shown a significant sales increase year on year and furthermore is ahead of its nearest rival in terms of lifetime consumer hardware sales in the EMEA region, with an installed base of over eight million units.”

- Ends -

[1] Sales figures are Microsoft estimates based upon GfK-ChartTrack data

[2] EMEA region includes: UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Portugal, Greece, Poland, Czech Republic, Russia, Hungary, Slovakia, South Africa, and UAE
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/xbox-360-reporting-its-happiest-christmas-yet--with-console-sales-almost-double-last-year-s

well if it is sellthough that does make it better. Still over tracked, but just marginally (400-500k, not the 700k or so it would be if it were shipped)

Quit spreading your bullshit bigjon I already stated that these were sold through numbers. Look at the freaking PR.

Nick Parker, Founder and Games Analyst, Parker Consulting, said: “I have seen early returns for the December 2008 sales data indicating that Xbox 360 has shown a significant sales increase year on year and furthermore is ahead of its nearest rival in terms of lifetime consumer hardware sales in the EMEA region, with an installed base of over eight million units.”

That is analyst is certainly not talking about shipped figures nor is the PR as it cies ChartT TrackGFK.

He says over 8 million installed base units in the EMEA region.

So when sony says install base they mean ship but when MS says it they mean sold through. gotcha

Looking at the VGC numbers, it's reporting 8.39 million units for Europe (UK, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Scandinavia, Other Europe) which would mean it's 'off' by 400,000 units.

However, I wonder (and ioi or another higher up would have to answer this) if the EMEA region = Europe + Other Europe. We may not be comparing apples to apples here, which could cause discrepancies.