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rubido on 05 January 2009
Fumanchu said:

Trivialising Sony's real financial problems and pigeon-holing all the unfavourable media as 'jealousy' is a weak argument. The PS3 is grabbing headlines because of it's underperforming sales against expectations in lieu of previous successes and massive losses it has cost the company. I don't think the writers at CNN Money or TIME are jealous of the PS3.

 

Well said. I also disliked this article. Sqrl also said it well.

PS3 is not dead. But the way this guy wrote the article makes it just another fanboy rant.



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MikeB on 05 January 2009
Fumanchu said:
MikeB said:
Fumanchu said:
Enlighten us - what does he actually say in the original translation? He's obviously talking about the 360's features in a diminutive manner - or is the whole thing fabricated?

He suggested a famous journalist made such a comment and he stated the PS3 and 360 are far apart (like a generation apart).

For the long run IMO he is right about this (due to the Cell, default harddrive and Blu-Ray). It's overall an interesting interview, like he points out (like I have) that through the Cell the RSX can generate graphics without even touching GDDR3 memory.

This is of course from a hardware perspective, game engines need to be adapted to show this potential.

So what he actually said is worse than what he is being quoted as saying.  Why all the uproar in his defence if you knew that's what he said?

It's just aiming for being more accurate. A lot of misinformation is floating around the internet.

I agree with the statement of the PS3 being far more powerful than the 360. We have seen far more truly malicious and incorrect statements from Microsoft PR.

 



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Infamy79 on 05 January 2009
MikeB said:

It's just aiming for being more accurate. A lot of misinformation is floating around the internet.

I agree with the statement of the PS3 being far more powerful than the 360. We have seen far more truly malicious and incorrect statements from Microsoft PR.

 

 

The PS3 can't be "far" more powerful than the 360 because it's taken over 2 years on the market and probably 4 years of development time to even start getting titles that are arguably better than the best 360 titles. If the PS3 was that much more powerful then it wouldn't even be debatable.



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They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience

Pristine20 on 05 January 2009
Ronster316 said:
Pristine20 said:
Ronster316 said:
Electro General said:
MikeB said:
EvilAvatar said:

People dont like PS3 because it is very expansive, sony called X360 "Xbox 1,5"

I agree, the PS3 is very expansive. Lots of cheap industry standard expansions like 320 GB harddrives for the same price you buy a 120 GB 360 harddrive, PlayTV, lots of firmware updates and new service being introduced. Not to mention the core hardware features are better, like my Nintendo DS has Wi-Fi, but on the 360 you pay something like 60 Euros for this and the console doesn't even come with online play out of the box...

Do you have an exact quote with regard to your XBox 1.5 comment? Who said this? I can imagine Sony stating the PS3 is far more powerful than the 360, but that's something else.

 

Ken Kutaragi - "the Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console."

And look what happened to him.

Good old Ken Kutaragi, First he was a thief in the early days of the first playstation during the Famicom-playstation project and then he became a liar when he said that the 360 was "xbox 1.5" .............no wonder i hate that rat.

 

It's funny how you guys hate him for things he "said". I don't think I've ever heard true PR in my life which is why I don't listen to PR period. If you put the PR aside, you'd realize that Ken is a man who had a vision, worked his way up to get that vision and ended up expanding the gaming industry beyond the "kiddie" stereotype to people who could spend their own money to play games. He made 2 hugely successful consoles, however, one failure regardless of past success gets you crucified. Such is the human way. This is why Ken was fired...he finally failed.

He's won lifetime achievement awards for what he's done, there's a reason for that.

 

 

 The most "unworthy" winner of a lifetime achievement award in the history of mankind, he's a thief.

Bottom line______________________

He never stole anything. The story I'm familiar with is that Kutaragi (not sony) wanted to work with nintendo to introduce a disc system into the snes but got the shaft. Nintendo decided to go with phillips or something because they didn't want to introduce sony to the gaming industry. Sony finally got in the industry because Kutaragi was close to sony's CEO then and he convinced him to fund the PS project. Thus a system I finally thought worth buying was created. If you think he copied nintendo or someone else for the prototype or something, it wasn't beyond the legal realm. Many said M$ copied apple in designing vista but using existing tech to create a new one is never a crime. If it was copyright infringement (which is criminal), Kutaragi/sony would have been sued.

He deserved the award for changing the face of the gaming industry period.

You seem heavily entrenched in your beliefs anyway so I get the feeling I'm barking up a tree.

 

 



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MikeB on 05 January 2009
rubido said:
Fumanchu said:

Trivialising Sony's real financial problems and pigeon-holing all the unfavourable media as 'jealousy' is a weak argument. The PS3 is grabbing headlines because of it's underperforming sales against expectations in lieu of previous successes and massive losses it has cost the company. I don't think the writers at CNN Money or TIME are jealous of the PS3.

 

Well said. I also disliked this article. Sqrl also said it well.

PS3 is not dead. But the way this guy wrote the article makes it just another fanboy rant.

In the end the bulk of criticism seem to revolve around entry pricing and sales. How dares Sony release a 600 dollar console? (While in fact entry pricing was 500 dollars) Entry pricing and sales are linked, so it's really just one combined issue.

Nobody is holding a gun to your face to buy a PS3. The PS3 provides a good value for money ratio, in fact the device still costs more to make than for the price for which it sells. Sony could never have sold the PS3 like the Wii has sold (they couldn't afford to), this much was clear from the beginning.

PS3 sales this year have been good from a worldwide perspective, like pointed out excellent games have been released in 2008 and there's every indication this trend is going to continue in 2009. That's what really matters for a game console.

Would I want to trade my PS3 for a 360 or a Wii? No way and I am sure the bulk of PS3 owners feel the same.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

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RAZurrection on 05 January 2009

The biggest problem for PS3 in 2009 is it doesn't have any exclusive killer apps.

 

Expecting the console to sell on Uncharted 2, Ratchet Next and Heavy Rain is suicide.



MikeB on 05 January 2009

@ Pristine20

Many said M$ copied apple in designing vista but using existing tech to create a new one is never a crime.


Core at Microsoft's huge success really lies with them buying QDOS (Quick and Dirty OS) which got re-branded MSDOS for usage with IBM personal computers. It was a limited straight copy of CP/M, even down to the source codes.

I find it funny people forget history. The antitrust cases against Microsoft had great merit, many interesting revelations in court on how they abused their position.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Ronster316 on 05 January 2009
Pristine20 said:
Ronster316 said:
Pristine20 said:
Ronster316 said:
Electro General said:
MikeB said:
EvilAvatar said:

People dont like PS3 because it is very expansive, sony called X360 "Xbox 1,5"

I agree, the PS3 is very expansive. Lots of cheap industry standard expansions like 320 GB harddrives for the same price you buy a 120 GB 360 harddrive, PlayTV, lots of firmware updates and new service being introduced. Not to mention the core hardware features are better, like my Nintendo DS has Wi-Fi, but on the 360 you pay something like 60 Euros for this and the console doesn't even come with online play out of the box...

Do you have an exact quote with regard to your XBox 1.5 comment? Who said this? I can imagine Sony stating the PS3 is far more powerful than the 360, but that's something else.

 

Ken Kutaragi - "the Xbox 360 is more of an Xbox 1.5 than a next generation console."

And look what happened to him.

Good old Ken Kutaragi, First he was a thief in the early days of the first playstation during the Famicom-playstation project and then he became a liar when he said that the 360 was "xbox 1.5" .............no wonder i hate that rat.

 

It's funny how you guys hate him for things he "said". I don't think I've ever heard true PR in my life which is why I don't listen to PR period. If you put the PR aside, you'd realize that Ken is a man who had a vision, worked his way up to get that vision and ended up expanding the gaming industry beyond the "kiddie" stereotype to people who could spend their own money to play games. He made 2 hugely successful consoles, however, one failure regardless of past success gets you crucified. Such is the human way. This is why Ken was fired...he finally failed.

He's won lifetime achievement awards for what he's done, there's a reason for that.

 

 

 The most "unworthy" winner of a lifetime achievement award in the history of mankind, he's a thief.

Bottom line______________________

He never stole anything. The story I'm familiar with is that Kutaragi (not sony) wanted to work with nintendo to introduce a disc system into the snes but got the shaft. Nintendo decided to go with phillips or something because they didn't want to introduce sony to the gaming industry. Sony finally got in the industry because Kutaragi was close to sony's CEO then and he convinced him to fund the PS project. Thus a system I finally thought worth buying was created. If you think he copied nintendo or someone else for the prototype or something, it wasn't beyond the legal realm. Many said M$ copied apple in designing vista but using existing tech to create a new one is never a crime. If it was copyright infringement (which is criminal), Kutaragi/sony would have been sued.

He deserved the award for changing the face of the gaming industry period.

You seem heavily entrenched in your beliefs anyway so I get the feeling I'm barking up a tree.

 

 

Ken was inspired to get in to gaming when he saw his daughter playing a mario game, he then works alongside nintendo to gain as much hardware and software knowledge as he possibly can and more than likely get inside info on other developers who worked for nintendo on a 3rd party basis, then the Famicom-playstation project is called off and Ken "thief" Kutagari goes running like a scalded dog to sony with all the development, hardware and software knowledge that he had stolen, thats how i see it and i'm not the only one.

 



WarmachineX on 05 January 2009

Congrats on finding sony support from a playstation website.





Official member of the Xbox 360 Squad

Ronster316 on 05 January 2009
WarmachineX said:
Congrats on finding sony support from a playstation website.

 

Talk about patting yourself on the back and blowing your own trumpet huh.

Typical sony.