What do you think everyone thought of the PS2? It captured the mass market nearly as well, and is still selling, even today. The DVD player definitely helped in securing its spot in the living room. People buying GTA, Madden, or PES were often not the same crowd as those buying the GC.

Will you agree that the PS2 was not competing with the GC? It's the same story, really.

they can be compared, when playing the PS3 and 360 it is like making love to a hot girl, you insert something in the slot and then press the right buttons but no thrusting. wii is like making love to a hot girl, you insert something in the slot then press the right buttons and thrust.

Another "Wii doesn't count" thread.

Moving on....

so if graphic is OP's reason why Wii is not competing with PS360, does that mean Wii is competing again PS2 or XBox?

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My point is that if there isn´t a wii in the store, people won´t jump to the alternative. If Wii price jumped to, lets say, $350, the PS360 sales wouldn´t change. In matter of fact, I could bet that even the wii sales would drop more than 5% per week. IMO the Wii is underpriced. 

The PS2 wasn´t on my mom´s wish list, the Wii is. And if you look around you´ll see that´s not a single case. People that never thought about videogames are thinking about getting a wii and I say they are the biggest chunk of the wii crowd. The PS360 is not competing with the wii for this public attention.

At the same time, people that have been gamming for ages and are not Nintendo fans won´t be satisfied with only a wii. The same people that buy Fallout, GTA, Dead Space, Gears, Resistance will eventually get a wii in their residences for one reason or another, but won´t give up playing in the HD consoles.

In the end of this gen the market share will probably be at 50%+- for wii and the rest of the market shared between the HD consoles, with a considerable shunk of this market share overlaped. My bet is between 10-20% of the wii onwners will have another console. But the wii will be in every home.

^How can you be sure many people that have bought Wiis would never have thought about the PS3/360 had the Wii not existed?

Certainly casuals would buy the PS3/360 for games like Singstar, Lips, Buzz, Scene it etc. just like how many casuals picked up the PS2 for similar games.

Even beyond that, the consoles are competitors because they compete for developer support, as well as for consumers.  Developers have to designate time to develop for each console.  Wii certainly takes time away from them being able to develop for the other two consoles, and vise versa.

The arguement that Wii doesn't count is invalid and getting tiresome.

 Well, first of all, both x360 and PS3 had price cuts since launch, but haven´t touched the demand for wiis. That´s a very good sign two products are not competing, when price changes don´t affect the other product sales.

The price had a great deal to do with Ps2 success among casuals. The wii price is actually irrelevant, believe me. In the begging it had it´s importance, but after it reached the popular status it has now, it´s prety clear it won´t need a price cut for at least one more year.

You really believe someone that doesnt care much about gamming in the first place will 1- know that are those games for the HD consoles 2- shed $400 + game price for it? My dad will spent more than $400 for a wii+wii fit cause my mom want it. My siter want a wii for MKII and galaxy and probably would eventually convice him into buying one and is probable that he will try at least wii sports.

The only gamer in the story is my sister and she´s mostly into sonic type of games( although she likes a fps and GTA now and then) and wouldn´t buy a console out of her own money. Like I said, this is not unique, I believe this is the main fuel behind wii success, people that thougth that video games were a waste of time and money actually buying one.

^I doubt MS or Sony won't want to achieve Wii-like sales if the Wii hadn't existed. They had to do that with casual games like the ones I mentioned above. Sure, the pricing might not be as low as now, but a significant number of casuals will still be tempted due to the relative cheapness of the 360 when compared to the PS3.

The combined userbase of the PS3 and 360 won't go up by 46 mill. that's for sure, but certainly it will go up for more than half of that.