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Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.

 

 

Definitely.  My buddy Moshe lived up near Kiryat Shmona, and said it was always very ominous looking down the mountains and realizing how close Syria & Lebanon really are... Looking down a realizing the enemy that wants to destroy you is just a few miles away was pretty much a reality check for him.

Can you imagine the consequences of allowing this so-called "peace" demand?

Zeh lo shalom, zeh matkon l'ason.  Suria rotze harisah al Eretz Yisrael.

And they will accept nothing less than this.



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Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.

 

 

Definitely.  My buddy Moshe lived up near Kiryat Shmona, and said it was always very ominous looking down the mountains and realizing how close Syria & Lebanon really are... Looking down a realizing the enemy that wants to destroy you is just a few miles away was pretty much a reality check for him.

Can you imagine the consequences of allowing this so-called "peace" demand?

Zeh lo shalom, zeh matkon l'ason.  Suria rotze harisah al Eretz Yisrael.

And they will accept nothing less than this.

Bidiuk, ve ma she em osim ba zman ha aharon mochiah zot. Cor atomi, tilim, ezra le hizba'lla... the whole package.

He who said what I mentioned in my last post must've seen the same spectacle like your buddy did. I think Syria and Lebanon were still French mandates back then, but still.

 



Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

As for your first part.  We are on the internet.  Chill out.  1) I'm not serious 2) If people took what everyone said on the internet seriously then the murder rate in this country would be much higher.  When I say I hate all races equally I mean that I am an equal opportunity discriminator.  I just dislike everybody.  I am white, and I can't stand a lot of white people.  The males especially are often ignorant, overweight, xenophobic, and in the South they are inbred.  There are plenty of black, Hispanic, and Asian people I can't stand too.

Honestly, I probably have less gripes about Jews than just about any other race/ethnic groups.  I get along great with Jewish people.  Most of them I've met have a good sense a humor.  Nothing bad was intended, and my reference was more to American Psycho than any kind of ethnic slur (funny character who makes a bad latka joke not involving babies).  But you shouldn't get upset about what people on the internet say regardless, even if it is racist.  Give someone a keyboard and their IQ drops in half.

As for the second part, its not just about what my party does, I'm just talking about the lack of social dialog in general.  Hell, I hear more debate over whether or not 9/11 was a conspiracy than over whether or not we should support Israel.  When people don't openly discuss something and there are no dissenting opinions, it usually leads to a bad result.

That's really funny considering how critical you've been to republican racist missteps.

Your comment was much worse then say... the Obama Bucks.

You really seem to hold people do different standards based on whether or not they agree with you.  It's quite disheartening.

 

A high ranking party official in a position of power is completely different than a random schmuck on the internet like me.  And you totally took what I was saying about the whole "Magic Negro" thing out of context.  I'm not losing a bit of sleep about what the guy said, my whole point was that from a strategic standpoint it was a nightmare for the Republican Party.  He is a guy who is in charge of Republican strategy, so he should know better unless he wants to drive his party even further into the ground.  It wasn't about him being racist, it was about him being a retard who should know better since it will reflect on his entire party.

I've already filled my racial quotas for friends (government mandated you know), so get off my back!  Its statistically proven that I'm not a racist.  I've even got a black cousin!

Tell you what, you guys can say whatever racist things you want and I'll hold you to the same standard I hold myself.  You want to vent about whites, blacks, Asians, go ahead.  I'll get a kick out of it.  Watch out for the mods though.

 



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Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.

 

 

Definitely.  My buddy Moshe lived up near Kiryat Shmona, and said it was always very ominous looking down the mountains and realizing how close Syria & Lebanon really are... Looking down a realizing the enemy that wants to destroy you is just a few miles away was pretty much a reality check for him.

Can you imagine the consequences of allowing this so-called "peace" demand?

Zeh lo shalom, zeh matkon l'ason.  Suria rotze harisah al Eretz Yisrael.

And they will accept nothing less than this.

Bidiuk, ve ma she em osim ba zman ha aharon mochiah zot. Cor atomi, tilim, ezra le hizba'lla... the whole package.

He who said what I mentioned in my last post must've seen the same spectacle like your buddy did. I think Syria and Lebanon were still French mandates back then, but still.

 

 

I was just about to say that too..

They shouldn't be ruled out either.  Can you imagine them using the Golan as a launching ground for rockets?  It would put many towns that much closer.  And they have showed they are ready and willing to do so... Like I said, ze matkon l'ason.  v'olam lo heikin... ha'olam amar "shalom, shalom" aval zeh mas s'fataim.

I think that on paper, things sounds better than they are in reality.

 



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Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.

 

 

Definitely.  My buddy Moshe lived up near Kiryat Shmona, and said it was always very ominous looking down the mountains and realizing how close Syria & Lebanon really are... Looking down a realizing the enemy that wants to destroy you is just a few miles away was pretty much a reality check for him.

Can you imagine the consequences of allowing this so-called "peace" demand?

Zeh lo shalom, zeh matkon l'ason.  Suria rotze harisah al Eretz Yisrael.

And they will accept nothing less than this.

Bidiuk, ve ma she em osim ba zman ha aharon mochiah zot. Cor atomi, tilim, ezra le hizba'lla... the whole package.

He who said what I mentioned in my last post must've seen the same spectacle like your buddy did. I think Syria and Lebanon were still French mandates back then, but still.

 

 

I was just about to say that too..

They shouldn't be ruled out either.  Can you imagine them using the Golan as a launching ground for rockets?  It would put many towns that much closer.  And they have showed they are ready and willing to do so... Like I said, ze matkon l'ason.  v'olam lo heikin... ha'olam amar "shalom, shalom" aval zeh mas s'fataim.

I think that on paper, things sounds better than they are in reality.

 

Yup. The Oslo treaties, for example.

Shalom tamid ahi tov. Aval lo al tnaim belti hegioniim.

 



Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:
skip said:
Frankenstein said:

Because Israel doesn't care who it kills.

Every Palestinian is a militant to them, and every buidling is militant headquarters, even if it is a fucking children's hospital.

I hope Hamas does some serious damage to the Israeli military, because what Israel is doing is nothing short of genocide.

 

When the ceasfire ended hamas/militants attacked israel with hundreds of rockets.  Israel is simply forcing hamas/militants out of governance/ into another ceasefire.  Hamas was the aggressor and is the one that desires genocide not israel.

Believe whatever you hear from the bias media.

The truth is Israel has turned Gaza into a prison, there is a huge wall around it and little to no aid is getting through. Israel routinely kills civilians and then passes it off as militants who were killed.

Hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed compared to what, 4 Israelis? That is a shocking number.

so are you saying that the media faked the aftermath/occurence of the rocket attacks, bribed the independant bloggers/youtubers, and bribed one of my classmates who was in the region with family over winter break?

The only part of my post that has anything to do with the media is that hamas/militants fired hundreds of rockets first.

Hamas runs on a mandate of getting rid of israel, and if I'm not mistaken the only two surrounding arab countries that recognize israels right to exist are egypt and jordan.  (who only recognized israels right to exist after israel beat them back with a big stick when attacked).  syria was working towards recognition with turkey as the mediator, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

I don't see that happening. Syria wants the Golan heights... and that's asking too much... at least in the eys of the Israeli population.

 

 

Israel certainly needs to hold onto the Golan, Syria has shown itself too many times to use it as a artillery & rocket staging point to attack Israel.

Indeed. I think it was Zhabotinskii who said "with the Golan heights you don't need to fire cannons at your enemy, lobbing rocks is enough". Giving them is plain dangerous. Besides, I don't trust Syria will keep the peace.

 

 

Definitely.  My buddy Moshe lived up near Kiryat Shmona, and said it was always very ominous looking down the mountains and realizing how close Syria & Lebanon really are... Looking down a realizing the enemy that wants to destroy you is just a few miles away was pretty much a reality check for him.

Can you imagine the consequences of allowing this so-called "peace" demand?

Zeh lo shalom, zeh matkon l'ason.  Suria rotze harisah al Eretz Yisrael.

And they will accept nothing less than this.

Bidiuk, ve ma she em osim ba zman ha aharon mochiah zot. Cor atomi, tilim, ezra le hizba'lla... the whole package.

He who said what I mentioned in my last post must've seen the same spectacle like your buddy did. I think Syria and Lebanon were still French mandates back then, but still.

 

 

I was just about to say that too..

They shouldn't be ruled out either.  Can you imagine them using the Golan as a launching ground for rockets?  It would put many towns that much closer.  And they have showed they are ready and willing to do so... Like I said, ze matkon l'ason.  v'olam lo heikin... ha'olam amar "shalom, shalom" aval zeh mas s'fataim.

I think that on paper, things sounds better than they are in reality.

 

Yup. The Oslo treaties, for example.

Shalom tamid ahi tov. Aval lo al tnaim belti hegioniim.

 

 

Absolutely.  I love peace, I seek peace.. but Oslo?  Ze mitabeid, v'oded milchama ad chormah.  Ze n'mul haRotzeiach.

But I dare not speak such a thing here in English, because people would blast me for things that they do not understand.  It's easy to sit back in America or Europe and reap praise on Oslo... because it is only because sometimes things sound good in concept, but in reality... ze p'lili.



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Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:

 

 

Absolutely.  I love peace, I seek peace.. but Oslo?  Ze mitabeid, v'oded milchama ad chormah.  Ze n'mul haRotzeiach.

But I dare not speak such a thing here in English, because people would blast me for things that they do not understand.  It's easy to sit back in America or Europe and reap praise on Oslo... because it is only because sometimes things sound good in concept, but in reality... ze p'lili.

Yup, and now we're reaping the "benefits" of Oslo. The treaties play a big part in what led to this war today.

 



Xen said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Xen said:

 

 

Absolutely.  I love peace, I seek peace.. but Oslo?  Ze mitabeid, v'oded milchama ad chormah.  Ze n'mul haRotzeiach.

But I dare not speak such a thing here in English, because people would blast me for things that they do not understand.  It's easy to sit back in America or Europe and reap praise on Oslo... because it is only because sometimes things sound good in concept, but in reality... ze p'lili.

Yup, and now we're reaping the "benefits" of Oslo. The treaties play a big part in what led to this war today.

 

 

I marched against Gush Katif for the same reasons, and I'm really not what you would call a "religious" person.  A lot of my friends are frum, but I support them out of principal (and personal family reasons).

For me, is like the leaders of Israel are saying, "anu namal Aravim l'ratzach al Yahudim".  Israel was feared and respected in '67 because of victory, not by cowering in fear to those you have defeated.  I just don't understand the strategy.  Some people want peace, and others just want to drive you into the sea.  Where is the logic is bowing down before your enemies?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 



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akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

As for your first part.  We are on the internet.  Chill out.  1) I'm not serious 2) If people took what everyone said on the internet seriously then the murder rate in this country would be much higher.  When I say I hate all races equally I mean that I am an equal opportunity discriminator.  I just dislike everybody.  I am white, and I can't stand a lot of white people.  The males especially are often ignorant, overweight, xenophobic, and in the South they are inbred.  There are plenty of black, Hispanic, and Asian people I can't stand too.

Honestly, I probably have less gripes about Jews than just about any other race/ethnic groups.  I get along great with Jewish people.  Most of them I've met have a good sense a humor.  Nothing bad was intended, and my reference was more to American Psycho than any kind of ethnic slur (funny character who makes a bad latka joke not involving babies).  But you shouldn't get upset about what people on the internet say regardless, even if it is racist.  Give someone a keyboard and their IQ drops in half.

As for the second part, its not just about what my party does, I'm just talking about the lack of social dialog in general.  Hell, I hear more debate over whether or not 9/11 was a conspiracy than over whether or not we should support Israel.  When people don't openly discuss something and there are no dissenting opinions, it usually leads to a bad result.

That's really funny considering how critical you've been to republican racist missteps.

Your comment was much worse then say... the Obama Bucks.

You really seem to hold people do different standards based on whether or not they agree with you.  It's quite disheartening.

 

A high ranking party official in a position of power is completely different than a random schmuck on the internet like me.  And you totally took what I was saying about the whole "Magic Negro" thing out of context.  I'm not losing a bit of sleep about what the guy said, my whole point was that from a strategic standpoint it was a nightmare for the Republican Party.  He is a guy who is in charge of Republican strategy, so he should know better unless he wants to drive his party even further into the ground.  It wasn't about him being racist, it was about him being a retard who should know better since it will reflect on his entire party.

I've already filled my racial quotas for friends (government mandated you know), so get off my back!  Its statistically proven that I'm not a racist.  I've even got a black cousin!

Tell you what, you guys can say whatever racist things you want and I'll hold you to the same standard I hold myself.  You want to vent about whites, blacks, Asians, go ahead.  I'll get a kick out of it.  Watch out for the mods though.

 

You've also complained about racist regular people.

The Obama bucks was not a high ranking party official.