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Crisis won`t last forever, there are high posibility, that by next Christmas economics will get better.


So if you only expect the economy to get better in Christmas, why do you still predict the PS3 will sell 20 million this year?



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CrazzyMan said:
@saicho, MGS4 is not going to stop seeling, it`s making around 1k per week, and when PS3 userbase in Japan will grow, it will reach 1 mln. in sales, Maybe not easy, but it WILL, that`s only what matters.
MGS4 will be best sellling MGS game in Japan and probably WW. =)
DQX vs FFXIII, FFXIIIv, RE5, SF4, T6, Yakuza 3 and etc. =) PS3 is still strong.
CrazzyMan, apparently you attribute a lot of PS3's problem to the crisis.
CRISIS and 400$/euro PRICE.
PS3 will get PRICECUT and will RULE.
How? RSX+Cell 45nm and profit from PSN/HOME+Blu-Ray = PS3 PRICECUT.
Crisis won`t last forever, there are high posibility, that by next Christmas economics will get better.

And you derived this from the same facts that led you to conclude that the PS3 will move 100,000,000 units by 2012? I am direly afraid for the economy, then.

 



NJ5 said:
Crisis won`t last forever, there are high posibility, that by next Christmas economics will get better.


So if you only expect the economy to get better in Christmas, why do you still predict the PS3 will sell 20 million this year?

In next 4 years PS3 will sell on AVERAGE 20 mln. per year.

Do you READ me? =)
This doesn`t mean 20 mln. in 2009, this means 16 mln. and 24 mln. in next 2 years or 14 mln. in 2009, and 20 mln. in 2010, 22 mln. in 2011 and 24 mln. in 2012. =)

If x360 could have good boost after pricecut on Christmas 2008, WHY PS3 won`t be able to have even BIGGER boost? :)



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

The things that still bother me about these outrageous predicitions is that there is no consideration to how the market has changed and how it will change in the near future ...

Right now we're seeing the massive shift in developers focus from the HD consoles to the Wii that started about a year ago, and for every HD console game that is announced we're seeing 5 or 6 Wii games announced. Certainly, only 1 in 4 of these announced Wii games is particularly interesting from a quality stand point but the shear volume of games will make the Wii's 2009 and 2010 library very strong.

At the same time, whether you are ready to accept it or not, 2009 will be the begining of a shift towards PC gaming that will result in very few PC games being released on consoles after 2010. Many of the big western developers like Epic, Valve, id, and Crytec make a large portion of their money from selling middleware to other developers, and most of the middleware they produced is several years old and is inadequate for next generation games and PC games that maximize hardware that is currently on the market. These developers will want to have their next generation middleware solutions in a position where they can be marketed towards other developers early in 2010, and they will probably want to cover/hide the development costs of these solutions inside of the budget of a game or two.

A massive comeback at a time when your game library will be declining in quantity and quality of releases, or (at best) will stay stagnant, is pretty unrealistic.



CrazzyMan said:
NJ5 said:
Crisis won`t last forever, there are high posibility, that by next Christmas economics will get better.


So if you only expect the economy to get better in Christmas, why do you still predict the PS3 will sell 20 million this year?

In next 4 years PS3 will sell on AVERAGE 20 mln. per year.

Do you READ me? =)
This doesn`t mean 20 mln. in 2009, this means 16 mln. and 24 mln. in next 2 years or 14 mln. in 2009, and 20 mln. in 2010, 22 mln. in 2011 and 24 mln. in 2012. =)

If x360 could have good boost after pricecut on Christmas 2008, WHY PS3 won`t be able to have even BIGGER boost? :)

14/16 million? Why would the PS3 have its best year so far in 2009 if you're expecting the economy to be lousy until Christmas?

 



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CrazzyMan said:
@saicho, MGS4 is not going to stop seeling, it`s making around 1k per week, and when PS3 userbase in Japan will grow, it will reach 1 mln. in sales, Maybe not easy, but it WILL, that`s only what matters.
MGS4 will be best sellling MGS game in Japan and probably WW. =)
DQX vs FFXIII, FFXIIIv, RE5, SF4, T6, Yakuza 3 and etc. =) PS3 is still strong.
CrazzyMan, apparently you attribute a lot of PS3's problem to the crisis.
CRISIS and 400$/euro PRICE.
PS3 will get PRICECUT and will RULE.
How? RSX+Cell 45nm and profit from PSN/HOME+Blu-Ray = PS3 PRICECUT.
Crisis won`t last forever, there are high posibility, that by next Christmas economics will get better.

So if MGS4 is at 650k right now, and sells 1k per week, it will take 350 weeks (2015) to reach one million.  You're truly living up to your name.

EDIT:  I just looked at the Japan numbers for MGS4.  Last week, it sold 780 copies.  That's it peak in a recent time frame.  Before that it was averaging around 500 per week, so if that average is maintained, it will take 700 weeks for it to reach 1 million copies sold.  That's roughly 14 years.  Seriously, think before you post.

 



NJ5,

14/16 million? Why would the PS3 have its best year so far in 2009 if you're expecting the economy to be lousy until Christmas?
2008 - NO PRICECUT and only 1 BIG BRAND GAME = 10,5-11 mln.
2009 - PRICECUT and FFXIII(Japan) and GT5 + KZ2?

HappySqurriel,
Right now we're seeing the massive shift in developers focus from the HD consoles to the Wii that started about a year ago,
I DON`T SEE, SHOW ME.
Japan: DQX + MH3, what i missed?
and for every HD console game that is announced we're seeing 5 or 6 Wii games announced.
DREAMING?
A massive comeback at a time when your game library will be declining in quantity and quality of releases, or (at best) will stay stagnant, is pretty unrealistic.
2008 - PS3 has BEST games(awards), MOST BEST rated Games - critics.

PhalanxCO, and PS3 will continue to sell at 10-30k for rest time in Japan, LOL.



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

2008 - NO PRICECUT and only 1 BIG BRAND GAME = 10,5-11 mln.
2009 - PRICECUT and FFXIII(Japan) and GT5 + KZ2?


... and a crisis for 11 of 12 months (according to you), resulting in better sales than 2007?

Just trying to understand your prediction here ;)

By the way, it's interesting that you're starting to predict PS3 sales above PS2's record.

 



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Darc Requiem said:

You know I'm not at all surprised that Crazyman would post something like this. The guy is either a troll account, joke account, or just plain delusional. MikeB, for all the issues I've had with you, I never thought you were crazy. Sure I thought the your fascination with the Cell caused you to be incredibly bias, but I'm actually stunned.

Look it's simple, there are well educated and perfectly sane market expert analysts out there who predict something similar for the long run. All the little kids who shout so much, should IMO take a little step backwards and think about this fact for a minute.

Then they will understand that outing personal insults is pretty useless. There are many factors of relevance to this question. I am better informed with regard the console peformance. If I am right or wrong with regard to the market factors I think which are most relevant remains to be seen. But considering this is a predictions website, any form of personal attack on personal believes is really out of place.

Believe me there's nothing wrong with my sanity or IQ (actually I think it's better for you we don't get onto this side-topic ).



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