Final-Fan said:
superchunk said:
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You are trying to convince us that all Palestinian youth are taught to carry AK-47s and hate/kill Jews. That simply is not so. Sure, the radical families, like Hamas, surely do this. But so do the terrorist Jews living in the settlements. That's why their youth go through local Arab villages causing fights, damage, and death to innocents nearly daily.
Also, for the record, I may not of actually been there myself, however, I spent over 5 years of phone conversations with four American-born 6-10 year old brothers who were terrified of Jewish soldiers and Jewish mobs, not because of thier education or parents, but because of what they witnessed.
Hiding on their floors at nights as Jewish Mobs of terrorists/settlers came through their village rampaging, shooting guns, beating up/killing any unlucky or foolish Arab who stepped outside. Never looking a IDF Soldier in the face for fear of getting hit.
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A. Evidence plz. If there are Jewish terrorists as bad as Muslim ones, how come we don't see Jewish kids on Internet videos with weapons and doing crazy propaganda like we do Palestinians?
B. I find the scene you depict very hard to believe. Considering how closely this region is watched, and considering how much we hear about it whenever the Israelis do their retaliatory strikes etc., I really think we would hear about rampaging murderous mobs.
I'm not convinced about Comrade Toyva's story, but I find it more believable than yours.
P.S. There are a lot of objections to be made about the settlement programs. But equating the settlers to terrorists says more about you than about them IMO.
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When someone blows up a bus, etc, it makes world headlines, especially ours. When the 120,000th Palestinian is beat up/killed that is not part of Israeli air strikes or other military action it gets ignored by world headlines and especially by Israel itself.
However, spend some time reading Israeli/Arab newspapers in English. They'll often include these stories. Though most go ignored by Israel by large as it is either not reported by the Palestinians villagers or the army just ignores the report. It is an occupation with many hardline religious fanatics who will do anything to not regain all of ancient Israel.
As for an example that you probably never heard of:
http://voanews.com/english/2008-12-07-voa9.cfm
That story isn't unique in any way. Its just ignored by US media because it isn't proIsraeli. In particular is this quote from that article by an Israeli-Jewish organization
"Meanwhile, an Israeli human rights group said discrimination against Palestinians in the West Bank is reminiscent of the apartheid regime in South Africa."
Ever read about the apartheid conditions? Not too different. Also, did you know who was S.Africa's biggest supporter during the Apartheid? Israel.
Do alittle google news search. Settlers constantly attack Palestinians. Burn orchards, beatup people, kill livestock, and often kill people. It just isn't printed in the US.
also,
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14491
"The Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronot reported 675 violent incidents by Jewish settlers in the West Bank, mainly against Palestinian citizens, but also against Israeli soldiers."
Furthermore, throughout this entire occupation Palestinians routinely go without water, electricity, etc. While the illegal settlements never get shutoff. My wife's family stated that it was clockwork when it would get shut off for many hours per day. However, at the sametime they could see the terrorist settlement playing in pools with all their lights still on.
Just because CNN and Fox don't discuss it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
