superchunk said:
Comrade Tovya said:
I actually have a friend who is Palestinian (I'll refrain from name because her last name is infamous due to her terrorist relatives).
Anyway, the first time she ever visited the Palestinian Autonomous Zones, she was actually pretty shocked.
Bear in mind that she was raised in America (and is by no means a devout Muslim), has tattoos and multiple body piercings, etc.
When she first got to the Israeli border security post, the soldiers checked her passport out and saw her last name, and they were like, "wow, your family is famous!"
She had no idea back then what they were talking about.
Anyway, she drove to her grandfather's house (whom she had never met prior to this time) and they had a family reunion of sorts. All of her cousins, aunts, and uncles were there.
She told me that one of her little 8-year old cousins was walking around the house with an AK-47 talking about being a martyr. She was of course shocked, being that over here in the States, that would be considered child endangerment amongst other things.
One of her other cousins took her into a back room, and showed her a closet that was jam packed with rocket propelled grenades, assault rifles, and other weapons.
She said that she'd heard that kids over there started learning the ways of violence very young, but that she had no idea how serious that accusation was until she saw it with her own eyes.
Long story short, she told me that it was her first and final visit, and that she would never go back, because it was just too frightening.
Since that time, one of her terrorist uncles were killed in combat against Israeli soldiers (he was in the ministry of education for the Palestinians, so that should tell you where the kids over there get it from) and the other was arrested (he was a general who has made the news more than once for authorizing terrorist attacks on Jewish children, and has since been arrested for such).
It's a crazy place for a kid to grow up because they are brainwashed from an early age to kill. Change doesn't begin with the adults, it begins with the youth... the children. You have to instill the importance of the value of life into their kids, or all of the peace summits in the world won't do a bit of good.
And public crucifixions will do nothing but further erode the innocence of their children. |
I call shenanigans. Your whole story is BS.
My wife's family is Palestinian. (None are actually linked to any fighter group and all of her siblings are US born).
When one of her sisters was going to go visit Palestine a few years back she flew accompanied by a cousin who happenend to be going at the same time. This cousin, also not part of a fighter group, is a known anti-Israeli writer who has published many articles against Israel and US unbiased support. When they arrived in Tel Aviv they were both arrested and thrown in a jail.
Her sister was 19, had never written anything against Israel, is not Muslim (i.e. looks/dresses American), had a passport, and kept insisting that she had no idea about her other cousins writings, yet she was detained in horrible conditions in an Israeli jail for 48hrs before being sent right back to the US. They wouldn't even let her call anyone, not even the US embassy.
That is why your story is BS.
1. Your friend would never of been let in to Israel if her family is as you descibed. Israel's security is way too tight for that.
2. No Muslim Arab family would want to be caught dead with a family member as you described in their home town. They are very superficial and if they were as radical as you described she would not have been welcomed.
3. My wife's four youngest brothers were born here and raised in Palestine for 5 years, would have probably stayed longer but passport restrictions only allow minors to be valid for 5 years. They all went through grade school and some middle school over there and NEVER were they taught violence, weapon use, etc.
They definitely had no love for Israeli terrorists (aka settlers) and a lot of fear of the Israeli Soldiers, but that was warranted as daily life for an Arab (Christian and Muslim) in Palestine is constant abuse.
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Uh, no, my story is a fact. She is one of the nicest and most honest people I have ever known. She's got the demeanor of a nun, so I highly doubt she would lie to me about that (because she loves her family, and wouldn't want to paint them negatively).
You are very rude. I don't mind if you dislike the story, but it doesn't change the face that it actually happened. So get over it. I know you have a reason to be biased (because of your wife), and you used racially anti-Jewish motivated speech in your post...
What the hell is the "Jewish Lobby" (as you said in the post prior to your response to me)? There is no such thing, and it only exists amongst anti-Semites. Now there is an "Israel Lobby" but it has more Christians as members than Jews. So trust me, there's no Jewish conspiracy here... and to even pretend like there is makes you look mentally feeble.
Now on to your "responses" as to why the story never happened:
A) Yes, the border patrol would let someone like her through. She is an American citizen, and this event happened prior to the latest intifada, so border regulations were quite lax at this time. Considering that you've never been to Israel nor passed through a check point, please don't pretend like you know anything about Israeli security.
B) Her father raised money for Arafat (prior to his death) via the Holyland Foundation, so I assure you they were more than welcome by Arafat and his cronies (and certainly her own family whom was supported by her father via money transfers from here in the states). Like I previously stated, this happened prior to the latest intifada, and Arafat was alive and well then.
C) I'm not saying that EVERY Palestinian is taught violence, just as every child who grows up in Compton doesn't join a street gang. But it has been proven that their ministry of education has indoctrinated their youth to perform violence against Jews.
What I am saying is a matter of fact that can be verified yourself (EXAMPLE 1, EXAMPLE 2, please tell me if you want more examples). The Palestinian Ministry of Education has been called out globally by th UN and other groups for teaching children how to fight at a young age, and learning Jew-hatred as a part of that education. This is not a matter of opinion, but a documented matter of fact.
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